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America In Colour, 1939 -1943

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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby judith » Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:11 pm

the Denver Post's description "some of the only color photographs taken of the effects of the Depression on America’s rural and small town populations" .


Isn't this a moot point, what with the word 'effects'? As - with some dramatic exceptions such as the dust bowl - it took longer for the effects (emotional and physical) of the depression to hit small towns and rural areas, as sometimes did the effects of the recovery. Remember also, these are people who in those days didn't have much, who lived frugally and were used to doing without before the depression hit.

(My information is anecdotal. I have always received the impression from the stories I have heard, rural and urban alike, that the ending of the US depression was a fade out. Perhaps the closest one could come to a definitive ending is 1941 and the US involvement in WWII. I do think statistics are helpful in providing a framework, but they are also misleading when it comes to the human story, each story, which these photographs definitely are.)

The photos are gorgeous. I love black and white, but there is absolutely no comparison when it comes to identifying with the subject and the immediacy in human portraiture done in color.

This is a side note, but it doesn't warrant a new thread. Today, I was reading about the US depression and specifically, the migration to California as I was remembering stories told by those who migrated here from Oklahoma, many of whom were proudly "Scotch". I thought some might find it interesting to find the origins of that Americanism and also the role these people played during the depression and the organization of unions, and elsewise and elsewhere - like American music.

Okie http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okie (notice the term "Scotch Irish" in paragraph four)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotch-Irish_American
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby Dayna » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:54 am

I love the various stories my grandma has told me about growing up during the depression. One story was about how her family lived in tents along the railroad tracks. During the bitter cold winter, a train with a coal car would come by and an engineer would throw pieces of coal off to the people living there, so they could have some heat. She said the engineer wasn't supposed to do that, but he did. It's kind of hear warming to hear how generous some people were at that time.
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby Des » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:03 pm

judith wrote:My information is anecdotal.


Nothing wrong with that, Judith - there's more wisdom in your writing than a million tedious links to wikipedia, The Guardian or some obscure and pointless academic paper, that so blight this forum.
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby Neil Foxlee » Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:16 pm

Welcome back, Des!
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby Ian M » Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:16 pm

"Dwayne's Photo, the only remaining Kodachrome processing facility, has announced that they will continue processing Kodachrome through the end of December, 2010 and that their supply of Kodachrome film has run out. The end of professional processing will signal the final end of the Kodachrome era. On July 14, 2010 it was announced that the last produced roll of Kodachrome was developed for Steve McCurry. The 36 slides will make their way to their permanent home at the Eastman House in Rochester, NY."

http://1000words.kodak.com/post/?id=2388083

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/08/1 ... hrome.html
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby judith » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:17 am

Thank you, Des.
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby jackdaw version » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:27 pm

You've used a wikipedia link once or twice, haven't you, Judith? Not that there's anything wrong with it I hasten to point out. I've done the same. But I suppose we should be careful. It's the tedium of blighting this forum with it that so winds up our Bristolian — and we shouldn't do that. He's very, very sensitive despite his air of manly working-class gruffness. I remember when he was much more "fun". Once, he just pasted in a whole long treatise copied from some place on the effects of sugar in the blood. Horribly unentertaining and distracting from the topic at hand, of course, but then he probably thought he was being clever. I always just remind myself that one never has to actually read this stuff or follow the links supposedly blighting the forum anyway.
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby Neil Foxlee » Sat Aug 14, 2010 7:46 pm

If Des (or anyone else) doesn't want to be blighted by my (or anyone else's) posts, there is a way out in the shape of the Manage Friends/Foes facility in the User Control panel: http://www.charliegillett.com/bb/ucp.php?i=zebra&mode=foes.

"Foes are users which will be ignored by default. Posts by these users will not be fully visible."

Personal messages from foes, however, are still permitted...
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby jackdaw version » Sat Aug 14, 2010 8:04 pm

I tried it once. "No fun," to quote Mr. Lydon. Quite irritating, in fact — I drove myself even more nuts than usual wondering what had been said.

Now you may all torment yourselves wondering who the "foe" was.
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby NormanD » Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:49 am

Meanwhile, back in Depression era (or post-Depression era) America
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby judith » Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:16 am

I found this site today. It includes photos, but what I've enjoyed is 3/4 down on the list - "Songs of the Great Depression."

http://tinyurl.com/3y5xuwj

Amazingly, more than a few of the songs, covers and otherwise, are on YouTube.
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby Neil Foxlee » Sun Aug 15, 2010 1:56 am

The discovery here, for me at least, is the acapella folk-singer Sarah Ogan Gunning:

# DOWN ON THE PICKET LINE (SARAH OGAN GUNNING) (1930s)
# DREADFUL MEMORIES (SARAH OGAN GUNNING) (1930s)
# I'M GOING TO ORGANIZE (SARAH OGAN GUNNING) (1930s)
# I AM A GIRL OF CONSTANT SORROW (SARAH OGAN GUNNING) (1930s)
# I HATE THE COMPANY BOSSES (I HATE THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM) (SARAH OGAN GUNNING) (1930s)


"Sarah Garland Gunning (later Sarah Ogan Gunning) was the tenth of 11 children in a Kentucky mining family, at a time when miners were paid less than a dollar and a half for a ten-hour day and worked in appalling conditions. Her father, Jim Garland, was blacklisted as he represented the miners in their fight for better wages, forcing him to use aliases in order go work in the mines. In 1931, a group of Northerners called the Dreiser Committee came to Kentucky to investigate atrocities committed against the miners, and brought their plight to national attention.

Sarah Garland and her sister, Molly (later known as Aunt Molly Jackson) wrote and sang songs in support of the struggle at labor rallies. They were taken to New York by members of the Dreiser Committee to help raise money for the miners' cause. Sarah, who was suffering from brown lung disease met folk singers like Woody Guthrie, Pete Seeger and Lee Hays, who went on to record her songs. After successful treatment for tuberculosis treatment she retired from performing, but returned in the '60s to perform at several major folk festivals. Her half brother, Jim Garland, wrote "I Don't Want Your Millions, Mister" '

Apparently her husband died at age 32 from black lung and her baby starved to death.

Here are two links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOO4-uwsts (a short documentary clip)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_TqxrZpkQU (a whole song)
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby judith » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:10 am

Barbara Dane does a version of "I Hate The Capitalist System". I couldn't find it on YouTube but Barbara Dane's album of the same title is on Spotify. (I think we've discussed Barbara Dane before as I a clip of her from a film of Alfred Hitchcock's)
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby judith » Sun Aug 15, 2010 2:14 am

Here's Jim Garland singing "I Don't Want Your Millions Mister"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGswPFJYM5g

I suppose I should have started a YouTube thread for these.
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Re: America In Colour, 1939 -1943

Postby judith » Sun Aug 15, 2010 3:55 am

jackdaw version wrote:You've used a wikipedia link once or twice, haven't you, Judith?


Yes, I have. Probably more often than not.

Neil, I apologize for accepting a compliment at your expense. Considering which, thank you for your courteous interest in the link I posted.
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