Sock Puppet Giveaway

[c hristian]

well, you know, other than the hand of righteousness answer that I got (that was funny!), I pay much more attention to the poster's first personae than the other subsequent personas. (what's plural for persona? Microsoft is of no help here) In fact, almost from the git, I stopped paying attention to all the sock puppets , just on principle alone. I'm wasting enough of my precious time on here already. Don't need to waste more reading posts that aren't even going to be sincere and attributed to some person in the offline word.

[Dayna]

I can ignore them till they start insulting people, but that is it. I do have PMs from Django.
I only like people I talk to here to be real. I can't stand fakes!

[Adam Blake]

You know, Bozo/Django, you're an obnoxious swine. As for anarchist. Pah! You insult the memories of Proudhon, Malatesta, Kroptotkin etc when you associate yourself with them. They were brave. You're a coward. Why don't you just GO AWAY please?

[Adam Blake]

Sorry, Dayna. I insulted someone. But this person succeeded in making me angry by posting a link to what looks like a porn site by way of insulting June Clowns.

I shouldn't post straight after cycling through central London in the rain! But I do wish they'd go away...

[Dayna]

No! You didn't insult anyone! I meant the sockpuppets. I saw the porn site

[Chris P]

I think many of us are 99 % certain who the puppeteer is. The question is why ? The humour ain't funny, yet the poster under his normal name has plenty of interest to say and contribute. So please cut the crap.

[Gordon Moore]

Porn site links are not acceptable to me. Not only do I not want such stuff on my computer, it's degrading - and God doesn't like it!

btw I'm not the puppeteer.

Whoever it is, and I hope it isn't one of my good friends here!, please leave it now, please mate.

[Django Style]

I can ignore them till they start insulting people, but that is it. I do have PMs from Django.
I only like people I talk to here to be real. I can't stand fakes!

The PMs sent to Dayna were far from harassing. They were in fact to reassure her when she expressed anxiety.

As to her comment about "insulting people," she seemed to have little problem with the insults that started all this hoo-hah, hurled by a real person at many of the posters within this particular topic and at the forum at large.

Further, I have received a PM from a person who has been personally harassed in a PM by Lady Macbeth.

Lastly, God does not exist.

[Des]

Not wishing to cause topic drift or creep, or to ignore Django's legitimate questions about music, but I am firmly of the opinion that Django owes us an apology for his excessively rude remark towards us and his general insensitivity to our expressed feelings about "Sockpuppets." Perhaps he has made one in private, but I feel it would be gracious if he were also to make one to Charlie for an abuse of Charlie's hospitality, particularly after Charlie had made a point of defending some of Django's peculiarities. Perhaps he has done such a thing in private — but I also feel that he was somewhat contemptuous of many of us in that Sockpuppet topic, so many of us that he might as well just issue a general and public apology for acting out his peculiarities in such a tasteless and childish way. Among other things, the solipsism Django himself displayed in his last posting in which he more or less attacked us all as mudslingers was quite extraordinary. I commented earlier that his postings were "inexcusable" rather than "unforgivable." I still feel that way. He'd get forgiven with an offered apology, but to attempt to creep back into the forum through the back entrance like this without any acknowledgment of the multiple offenses he was responsible for is chicken shit in the extreme.

[Django Style]

I note the variety of opinions expressed above by people who in some cases I respect and in other cases I basically ignore. In a further attempt to explain my actions to those who asked what was going on, I paste in part of a PM I sent last week to a person in reply to his question about what had happened to me.

It's a long and complex story that I am considering how, or whether, to tell. The short version is that I am quite utterly fed up with the moronic psycho-drama-queen self-help clique group aspects that have taken over large areas of the forum's mindshare. You know, the Animal Farm meets Lord of the Flies as channeled through class antagonism element. My final straw was the mobbing that David Flowers received for his comment re Spartacus. It wasn't well stated — David is not a natural writer but I agree with his basic sentiments.

I know there are ways to filter things out, but they don't work too well when you click around like I do. Anyway, large areas of the forum have been inducing feelings and behaviour in me that I don't really enjoy or find admirable. And I wanted to remove myself from those feelings — or remove those feelings from myself; I'm really seeking the peace in life not the aggro. So, I wanted to draw the line under my past involvement. I needed a technique. Obviously, I wanted to keep my name out of the hands of evil sock puppeteers and such. This was the way I figured out to do both. Much better and easier than deleting every comment I'd ever made as the old (username removed).

It doesn't mean that I won't read. Maybe even occasionally post. I am somewhat sad that it came to this. I've resisted it for several weeks, but the time came when I just couldn't put up with some of the idiocies and I couldn't keep quiet about them either, which only made the idiots louder.

Obviously my attempt to tell the "long and complex story," that is this topic, has been a miserable failure. I'm sorry I didn't resist the temptation to have further fun and mischief by passing on the sock puppets. I'm almost as incorrigible as Des (my no-longer secret love, at least according to him). The great irony of all this is that before the topic that shall not be mentioned I was actually warming up quite considerably to him and his particular sense of humour and manipulation of the obvious and non-obvious alike. I thought he was on a pretty interesting hill and had a pretty interesting point of view. And he likes birds and wildlife, which, besides music, absurdity and provocation, are my other major interests. But the topic that shall not be mentioned and its aftermath ruined all that for me. It got to the point where, despite those whose comments and company in the forum I appreciate, I didn't feel like participating with my original username (only semi-real as it was, but actually quite widely known in certain circles). As I've also written to another member in email,

I have, or had, a point to make about the behaviour of another member and I'm sad that I appear unable to make that point either under my own name or in a dramatic fashion through a sock puppet. Nearly four years on the forum and a bloody clown like (name removed) is driving me out! It feels like when your old favourite local gets invaded by a crowd of loud rude idiots and the publican doesn't care because they're buying more drinks.

I hope that answers the apparently so-far unanswered questions of Con and Chris. Perhaps it'll even make a tiny bit of sense to Adam or Hugh. I don't have anymore to say so I'm shutting up now. Anyway, I have to go out and get ready for the May Day news cycle by bombing an American embassy. Try saying that under your "real" name!

[That Was Jonathan E. Then]

I Got So Much Trouble In My Mind
You're Losing Me
You're Gonna Miss Me

Dedicated to those who need help with the dots.

[Gordon Neill]

(a) We know, and at least some of us sympathise. Genuinely.
(b) Yes, it's true, life goes on. Try and keep up.
(c) Possibly not as much as you think.

[Chris P]

birds and wildlife, which, besides music, absurdity and provocation, are my other major interests.

birds and wildlife - check (yes)
music, absurdity - check
provocation - Not today thanks - it is probably more fun to provoke than to be provoked, aye there's the rub

Jonathan - knew it was you (almost) all along mate, and to be fair some of it was pretty droll (but not if you're tired from the 'coalface' maybe, or the target ?). I hope it's not a (temporary) end to your excellent regular posts ?

[Des]

Class War. Anarchy. Aggro. You should be used to it Jonathan.

I've been hard on middle class people but hey, they can take it.

Peace mate. Hope you come back soon.

Desx

[CantSleepClownsWillGetMe]

Thanks to Charlie, the link to someone called 'CSCWGM's page on a porn website has now been removed.

Now all that remains is for me to delete it from my 12 year old son's Favourites ....! :-)
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LATE Addition: I've only just noticed that an earlier post of Jonathan's has been edited and more comments added about me. My first instinct (and 2nd, 3rd, 4th ...) was to retaliate in kind and then to flounce off - possibly to chop some wood - but then I changed my mind. Again. Women eh!

So instead I want to wish Jonathan a Happy and Peaceful New Year.

June :-)