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change the name from Feedback to Music Forum

PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:15 pm
by Charlie
I missed the suggestion to change the name of Feedback to Music Forum the first time it was made but have picked up on it the second time (from Buoi in 'Favourites of the Year')

It does bother me a bit that first time visitors to the site may not realise what a treasure is hidden under the name 'feedback' and of course it deals with a far wider range of topics than that term suggests

Buoi suggests 'music forum' - any other ideas?

PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 9:51 pm
by Chris Walsh
I'm assuming it was my remark that Buoi is referring to. (Earlier in that same thread I think).

I might suggest "Listener's Forum" as the most accurate and easy-to-grasp explanation of what we've got going here....

Any other thoughts? I'll admit it doesn't sound very exciting....
Not like: "Room of Flying Opinions!" or "Cavern of Hot Debate!" - now those are rooms I'd visit!!!

- Chris

PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:52 pm
by Buoi
Hi Chris,

With regards to the number of people posting replies on this forum, I just think that one or two things should change just to see how things go. Changing the name from 'Feedback' would be a start (and as long as the new name includes the word 'Forum' then that should be enough).

As for the regulars, all I can say is that this is the first music forum I have come across (and I've been on many) where I feel it is being dominated by a few individuals, who are mainly industry insiders. Yes, maybe the general public are not interested in replying or do not have the time, but I very much doubt it.

In addition, it's not only the level of music knowledge that's a possible factor, but sometimes the I-know-more-than-you-so-your-views-are-crap/slightly hostile tone (which is usually uncalled for) of one or two of the regulars when 'discussing' certain threads that would easily put some people off (myself included). Reading certain posts in this tone only re-inforces that feeling of 'your not part of the club' - and that's another reason why I mentioned feeling intimidated (and no, I'm not going to mention any names - you should know who you are).

I just think that the regulars should stand down or reduce the number of postings for a few weeks and see what happens. Of course everyone's views are welcome (this is a forum after all!), but the balance seriously needs to be re-addressed.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:06 pm
by Ian M
It may seem a small point, but changing the link from Feedback to something else - message board, whatever - will be likely to lure more visitors to the site to the boards. I used to visit the site and assumed for quite a while that Feedback was merely, and conventionally, a link for comments about the site. So I feel like I eventually stumbled upon the boards, rather than found them through a logical link.

Dissuading people from posting is counter productive, whoever they are. A more positive approach would be for 'regulars' to make an effort to be particularly encouraging and welcoming to new participants, and resist any (unintentional) risk of appearing to be dismissive of their views/inexperience, or too jaded by their years of insider experience!

One thing I would love to see is more contributions from musicians themselves, and maybe this is something Charlie could encourage when he has them in the studio?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:01 pm
by RobHall
Buoi wrote:Hi Chris,
In addition, it's not only the level of music knowledge that's a possible factor, but sometimes the I-know-more-than-you-so-your-views-are-crap/slightly hostile tone (which is usually uncalled for) of one or two of the regulars when 'discussing' certain threads that would easily put some people off (myself included). Reading certain posts in this tone only re-inforces that feeling of 'your not part of the club' - and that's another reason why I mentioned feeling intimidated (and no, I'm not going to mention any names - you should know who you are).

For the record, I feel much the same. I've been on this forum a long time and the tone adopted by certain contributors, as referred to by Buoi, is the reason why I don't contribute more.

However, I don't think that asking frequent posters to post less is the answer. I don't quite know what the answer is, but I don't think that's it. Sorry I can't be more helpful; I just wanted to add my voice to the concerns that Buoi has expressed.

Rob

Intimidation

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:24 pm
by Con Murphy
Welcome aboard, Buoi. I'm obviously not an insider, but I am one of the dominators so if there are any tips that you can give me about my posting style that might make people less scared to join in (preferably with examples of where I've gone wrong), I'll gladly try to adapt accordingly.

Or if it's just a matter of needing to go away for extended periods, I'll gladly do that as well, although I hope you'll forgive me if I don't do it just on your say-so alone. The caveat to the latter action is that one small set of regulars might just be replaced by another small set of regulars, so it could become a bit of a vicious circle.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:34 pm
by Ted
Don't do it Con. You are always polite and modest. You are not an "industry insider" and I value your opinions more than those of some of the people who don't pay for their own music.

TW

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:18 pm
by Chris Walsh
Charlie,

For what it's worth, on the new Songlines website (due to launch in the next few days) I've had the pleasure of writing the blurb for this page.
I've taken care to give special mention to the "lively debate forum"!

So that may help a little. I'm sure the site will begin to generate quite a lot of traffic once it goes live...

However - I still think it should be changed from "Feedback" to something else.

Maybe:

"Mudslinging Common Room"
"Doorless Viper Pit"
"Greater London Acid-Tongued Gentleman's Club"
"Ye Olde Pull-over Communal Gaff"

- Just a bit of fun!

Listeners' Forum

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:51 pm
by Charlie
In retrospect, Feedback is a bit terse, and I am happy to switch to Listeners' Forum

But there isn't enough room along the menu tab row for such a long title, without shortening something else.

Alan's What's Going On could be retitled Gigs in London, which would be clearer but only marginally shorter.

I would also like to signify the rich content of news & reviews in Feedback (or Listeners' Forum) on the home page, but don't know where to put it.

I welcome Buoi's comments, and have mixed feelings. I have winced at the bitterness of some comments, and the paranoia that lurks near the surface of some of our regulars, but I have felt they were balanced by the high quality of so much provocative and amusing dialogue.

I am no student of other website forums but the few that I have seen are mostly filled with short and not particularly interesting comments. Perhaps Buoi could point us to a better example.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:18 pm
by Con Murphy
Chris Walsh wrote:"Mudslinging Common Room"
"Doorless Viper Pit"
"Greater London Acid-Tongued Gentleman's Club"
"Ye Olde Pull-over Communal Gaff"


Quite often the phrase 'what a Mass Debater' (or similar) comes to mind when reading certain threads, so can that be accommodated I wonder? :-)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:30 pm
by Chris Walsh
Perhaps, as you say Charlie, What's Going On, could be changed to London Gigs and Archives On Mondomix could become Mondomix Archives. That would free up some space...

- Chris

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 7:27 pm
by Ted
Chris Walsh wrote:"Doorless Viper Pit"!


Dreamt about a reefer / Five feet long / Mighty Mezz, but not too strong / You'll be high, but not for long / If youse a viper..."

Stuff Smith, nineteen thirty something.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:31 pm
by richardh
Why not just Forum?
And, please, let's not get into "disqualifying" posters for being articulate, opinionated or knowledgeable regulars. I know that the suggestion is of a "private club", but that is self-evidently not the case: anyone is free to post; many of us are content to read most of the time and we can easily move on if a thread or contributor becomes tedious or irritating.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:41 pm
by Buoi
Hi everyone.

Charlie - My views are nothing more than food for thought (I have no desire for changes to be made, based solely on my observations). However, I know I'm not alone with most of the views I've put across. I, like everyone else, value the contributions made by the regulars and would like to see them continue posting their views. However, that doesn't mean that their dominance/bullying is necessarily a good thing. In addition, I agree with you about other forums sometimes containing irrelevant posts, but that's the beauty (and consequence) of feeling that you have complete freedom (more or less) in what you post (especially in relation to personal points of view). Unfortunately, I don't sense that with this forum - posting a view here sometimes feels like walking into a lion's den. If any of you can think of a better reason why this is the case then please be my guest.

Con Murphy - As I stated before, I am not going to mention any names. However, any of the regulars who have posted savage/hostile/paranoid replies to previous posts should be aware of how they're communicating with others (and, Charlie, although you have a point about there being a balance between this form of behaviour and the quality of the posts, it's really of no consolation to those who feel too intimidated to 'join in'). Also, there's no need for you to go away for extended periods - the balance I mentioned was not only to the degree in which the regulars use this forum, but also in how mutual respect to other posters should be shown - regardless of whether or not you agree with their point of view. My comment about 'backing down' for a while was merely a suggestion, just to see if others would be more pro-active as a result.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:48 pm
by ritchie
I can't do the thing in the boxes bit but

"I am the Viper, and I've come to vipe your vindows"

Tiny Tim 1968 ish ....