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Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:58 pm
by Neil Foxlee
According to today's Guardian, Fabio Capello's brainwave for pre-match motivation was to make the England squad watch fellow-Italian Gillo Pontecorvo's classic film Battle of Algiers (I kid you not).

After that, they had no chance - after all, if torture by French paratroopers couldn't break the Algerians' spirit, what chance did a bunch of English footballers have?

Full marks to Fabio for his cultural taste, but surely he'd have been better off showing them Zulu or something like that.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:26 pm
by NormanD
Neil, according to Richard Williams, it was the Algeria manager who had his side watch this film. A friend has suggested that the England team probably watched "Footballers' Wives", or played computer games.

As I've said here, I care little for football, but I did listen to some of the commentary on 5Live whilst cooking the dinner. The commentators surprised me with their open disdain of, and near venom towards, the England side for their poor display. Their adherence to the BBC "Compliance" rules for live broadcasting (i.e. no swearing) was impressive.

I'm sure now there'll be a massive media backlash against footballers' wage levels in the light of their performance.

Oops, forgive me, loyal contributors to the "Nothing To Do With The World Cup" thread, which I started earlier. I have lapsed.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:29 pm
by Neil Foxlee
Whoops, sorry, my mistake. Just goes to show how much attention I'm paying to the whole thing.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:55 pm
by gary booth
"I did listen to some of the commentary on 5Live while cooking the dinner." said Norman.

I'm sorry that doesn't butter any parsnips round here. Knowing Norm' from our playing days together he would be having his dinner cooked while watching the game on 42 inch HD Plasma.
I have the programme right here on my desk of the match we both played in for Lambeth Social Services F.C. in the final in 1986 against Lambeth Police F.C - we were more skilled but softer. It has a picture of Norman in our strip - hair shirts, baggy shirts and sandals & socks and underneath it : Position: Left Wing. ( Old Joke last seen in Plymouth Argyle programme obit for Michael Foot R.I.P.)

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:00 pm
by will vine
All I heard in the tv commentary was how poorly England played....hardly a word of praise for the Algerians who looked pretty comfortable on the ball throughout.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:21 pm
by NormanD
Oh, Christ. I've been rumbled. The past has come back and bitten me in the bum with its savage teeth.

OK, the truth. It's actually a 60'' plasma screen, and we had a takeaway delivered. And I never went to the door to pay him.

And we went 5 nil down against Brixton nick despite the valiant leadership of our right-winger player / manager, Pope David.

This story currently doing the rounds:

The England team went on a goodwill visit to an orphanage in South Africa this evening. "It feels good to put a smile on the faces of people with no hope, constantly struggling and facing the impossible" said Jamal Umboto, aged 6.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:22 pm
by Hugh Weldon
Norman

The commentators surprised me with their open disdain of, and near venom towards, the England side for their poor display.


You mean the Radio 5 top team of Mike Ingham and Alan Green. Both far superior to any of the TV commentators. Green is often given to getting a bit over excited, but Ingham surprised me as he is normally the most controlled of the two. And it wasn't over hyped for effect either, they're both genuine football lovers who know what they're talking about.

The frustration of seeing a team which is a mix of patently not good enough and patently not trying is something I share, though admittedly I never had any high expectations to begin with. I think you only follow England out of a fairly blinkered patriotism. If you like to see good football on the other hand, try Spain or Argentina.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:09 pm
by Jamie Renton
An awful performance even by the standards of the overpaid, lazy & washed up England side. Rooney was particularly bad I thought & Lampard ... where was Lampard? after watching Doctor Who tonight, I can only imagine he was locked in the Pandorium, cos he sure as hell didn't appear to be on the pitch.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:53 am
by gary booth
"Why England couldn't beat Algeria?"

At what level should that question be pitched: 'A' level, Degree, or 'the bleedin' obvious'?
I'm a lifelong football fan and my heart is for Spurs not England, so I've watched both far too much for the good of my health but England's performance does beggar belief. Spurs had 'Lasagnegate (food poisioning) a few seasons back in their last game against West Ham which explained the poor performance but can there be something as excusable last night?
'Overpaid, lazy or not good enough?' contributors have said- I think the squad suffers from all and some of that but to be that bad throughout the team for 90 mins doesn't normally happen against such opposition at such a level.

I've never bought into the hype of Capello. So as each day/match goes by and he reneges on another 'rod of iron' policy or finds this 'rod' uncomfortablyy heavy in his fist and, since last night, the $64,000 dollar question and rising is begging as to why club players aren't performing anywhere near their potential for their country, I find the evidence to suggest Capello is the guilty man growing and more compelling.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:30 am
by uiwangmike
I wondered if the England players were having problems with the Algerians' cunning camouflage strip.

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Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:22 pm
by Con Murphy
will vine wrote:All I heard in the tv commentary was how poorly England played....hardly a word of praise for the Algerians who looked pretty comfortable on the ball throughout.


Comfortable on the ball but with no penetration whatsoever, and with a woefully ponderous central defence. A half-decent team would have beaten England quite comfortably on Friday night. What a shame that the first African World Cup looks like it's occurring during the weakest period for the continent's national teams for about two decades. Even Ghana struggled against 10-man Australia yesterday apparently (must admit I've missed 99% of the competition) - their position at the top of their table could be a false friend given that they play a wounded Germany next, with Serbia surely fancied to beat the Aussies.

With Nigeria in disarray, Cameroon out, Algeria rock bottom of a poor group, South Africa so obviously out of their depth, and a near-Drogba-less Ivory Coast battling away in the so-called Group of Death there's a real danger that there won't be one African team in the knockout phase. What a pity that would be.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:35 pm
by Con Murphy
gary booth wrote:I've never bought into the hype of Capello. So as each day/match goes by and he reneges on another 'rod of iron' policy or finds this 'rod' uncomfortablyy heavy in his fist and, since last night, the $64,000 dollar question and rising is begging as to why club players aren't performing anywhere near their potential for their country, I find the evidence to suggest Capello is the guilty man growing and more compelling.


England look similar under Capello as they did under the previous half-dozen or so managers, so we must surely be at the point soon where we concede that actually, it can't be down to the managers, rather it seems that something's up with the England condition. France suffers from it too - something to do with highly-paid successful club footballers not being able to handle the pressure created by the gap between national expectations (and recent achievements, in the French case) and their place as one of the outside teams. They simply don't have the drive or desire to bridge that gap, which is why they are continually outperformed by countries whose team spirit trumps their limited pool of talent.

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:42 pm
by Jamie Renton
Jamie Renton wrote:An awful performance even by the standards of the overpaid, lazy & washed up England side. Rooney was particularly bad I thought & Lampard ... where was Lampard? after watching Doctor Who tonight, I can only imagine he was locked in the Pandorium, cos he sure as hell didn't appear to be on the pitch.


I've always had the greatest respect for the plucky, hardworking & highly talented England team ... never stopped believing ... always knew we'd pull through ... shame on you fairweather fans ... I've said from the start we could go all the way (continued Page 94)

Re: Why England couldn't beat Algeria

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:30 am
by joel
Why England couldn't beat Algeria


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