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Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:44 pm
by Hugh Weldon
I think Garth has that writerly thing of seeing the world as more dramatic and colourful than it actually is (or as it appears to us clearly more jaded souls). He also tends to see heroes and villains, rather than shades of grey. As he knows a lot less about football than he does about music, I didn't take much of the above very seriously.

Apart from

the cruel Dutch


Beats me, this one. Holland are usually one of my favourite teams and it's been a drag not to see them as often as I would have liked during this competition. But cruel? How? I can't work out whether this is just a lazy journalistic generalisation (cf German 'efficiency') or a reaction to some bad fouls or flukey results (which?) An odd epithet for one of the generally more organised, effective and elegant sides out there.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2010 11:07 am
by Con Murphy
Federer had a reputation for prickliness on his way up, so maybe he's reverting to type now he's on his way down. It's easy to be cool and magnanimous when you're beating the pants off everybody, and he needs to treat triumph and quarter-final defeat as twin imposters if he wants to retain his spotless sportsmanship standing.

I'd quite like to see Germany win the world cup - I seem to recall we had discussions here two years ago about how they weren't getting the praise they were due for their counter-attacking flair, and it seems they've got even better at it since. I wonder if the Netherlands can contain their hatred for Germany this time round if they do meet them in the final, unlike in 1974? Or is that animus all now in the past?

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:43 pm
by garth cartwright
Con, you are being polite - Federer had a reputation for behaving awfully as a Junior and his arrogance and rudeness has often been noted. While in NZ I met a woman who worked on the international tennis circuit so asked how the players were. She said most were fine and got on but they all disliked one player: Roger. Reason why? He acts like a diva - other players must not look at him/sit with him etc. Unbearable she said.

Yes, he's a great player but he has the personality of a cucumber. Sampras was also a dull grand slam champion - a little warmer than frosty Rog tho'. Agassi - now there was a player I liked to watch! Even read his autobiog - the first and possibly last tennis book I will ever read - and it was a great read. A character in every sense. And when he writes about Stefi it becomes an epic love story.

Holland - cmon, they are cruel. The way they have won their last 2 games has been painful to watch. Intelligent football, no doubt, but too often dull. And they were lucky not to have that player get a red card when playing Brazil.

Here's to Germany beating Spain and Holland. Funny how Germany teams always used to be totally defensive and this one play sweeping attacking football. I watched Saturday's game in Cardiff with some lads all betting on Argentina - boy, did their faces fall!

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:49 pm
by AndyM
garth cartwright wrote:
Here's to Germany beating Spain and Holland.


Er, how can I put this ?


NO

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 3:59 pm
by Des
garth cartwright wrote: Funny how Germany teams always used to be totally defensive and this one play sweeping attacking football.

Yep - they really are a great side to watch compared with previous incarnations. They are a young side and with bit of a 'rainbow nation' feel about them - I wonder if this is a contributory factor to their present style? I rate their chances highly.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 8:29 pm
by AndyM
Quisling.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2010 11:40 pm
by Des
Vee haf vays of making you lose. Well done Spain!

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:08 am
by garth cartwright
Yes, Spain found their mojo and Germany appeared to misplace theirs. A decent game but not as exciting as I'd hoped for. The little guy who scored looks like one of Anvil - I watched that doc on them (duff Canadian metal band) recently and very entertaining it was too. Was telling Adam to watch it at Sun Ra - funny isn't it, at a sublime gig like the Arkestra and me going on about something as naff as Anvil! Well, not their music but their dedication and how they suffer for their art.

Come on Spain with the little headbanger!!!

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:26 am
by AndyM
Puyol (the scorer) looks as though he's been hit in the face BY an anvil.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:07 am
by Rob Hall
I think it's fair to say that Puyol was at the back of the queue when they handed out looks, though I don't suppose that bothers his bank manager. But that was a mighty header and, though I fancied Germany, Spain came out worthy winners. The final should be very interesting, but I hope it's got a bit more spark than the two semis.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:38 am
by Hugh Weldon
Garth's description of Puyol as 'little' bemuses me, though he does look more like he should be fronting a heavy metal band than anchoring a defence. Tony Adams with curls or the one in Quo who wasn't Francis Rossi.

But what a header.

Well done Spain. It did look for a while like it was going to be all pretty passes and no punch, but Puyol provided the killer blow with some style.

Now that two of my favourite countries are in the final I'm a little torn, but I am hoping that Spain can really turn it on against the Dutch and achieve a deserved victory.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:33 am
by Con Murphy
I suppose Puyol is short by centre-back standards. He must be at least three storeys below Mertesacker. Thank goodness the corner went to him though - if it had gone to any of his team-mates they would have controlled it (albeit beautifully, no doubt), turned 180 degress and started an intricate passing move all the way back to the halfway line.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:39 am
by David Flower
the TV commentator Guy Mowbray is just awful. I think he has to assume, as Rio Ferdinand might say, the mantelpiece of worst footie commentator ever. He seems to have no understanding of the game whatsoever other than you simply rush at the other side and try and wallop the ball in. He clearly wanted Germany to win and his whole tone was that these spanish woofters and their nancy passing were soon going to rightly get their comeuppance.
Spain played a brilliant game, utterly nullifying Germany's countertattacking threat which was going to win them the cup. They didn't get a sniff. Mowbray, who can only have the job in order to represent the average numbskull British fan, would have obviously preferred a classic Blackburn v Newcastle type of full-on encounter. You can have plenty of that next season. This is the world cup.
I can't remember one occasion last night when either team simply hoofed the ball up the line or vaguely up front in the hope of something. Not once. All defenders would play the simple ball to a teammate, often threading it between the attackers into midfield when a mistake would have been fatal. Never happened, confidence on the ball. And there were very few balls back to the goalie. I've never seen the ball passed back so often as to Dave Jaymes in that game against Algeria
As for that nonsense about Spain not scoring many goals. Should have been 2-0 last night, and Alonso could have had 3 alone. Though I hope Holland win as I put money on them at the start. In fact I filled out the whole wallchart at the beginning with all the results and came down to a final of Holland 2 Spain 1. After a lifetime getting it wrong I finally called one right!

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:47 am
by Con Murphy
David Flower wrote:Though I hope Holland win as I put money on them at the start. In fact I filled out the whole wallchart at the beginning with all the results and came down to a final of Holland 2 Spain 1. After a lifetime getting it wrong I finally called one right!


I think we should call you Dave the Octopus from now on.

Re: The forthcoming footiefest

PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:59 am
by kas
David Flower wrote:Mowbray would have obviously preferred a classic Blackburn v Newcastle type of full-on encounter. You can have plenty of that next season.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f2-Hw8ukqc

Sorry, just got a tangential attack... Back to the world cup. The dutch are the favourites at our place.
I couldn't begin to analyse why, except that my father-in-law is dutch...