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Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:41 am
by john poole
Otis Ray Redding - born 9th September, 1941 (Dawson, Georgia) [died 10th December, 1967] Otis would have been 70 today. Two from "The!!!!Beat" in 1966 -

'Mr.Pitiful' - abridged version from the final episode of the show. The usual host "Hoss" Allen was "too intoxicated" to appear, so Otis also introduced the other acts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Fu-k6_bgU

''My Lover's Prayer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcgt9cVc-28

I'd not seen this clip before - from the 1967 Stax-Volt Tour of Europe with the MGs; Mar-Keys; & (Emperor) Rosko - 'Satisfaction' & 'Try a Little Tenderness'
(removed from YT)
- probably at Billy Walker's Upper Cut Club -
http://www.soul-source.co.uk/soulforum/ ... r-cut-club

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:00 pm
by judith
I love this section of the Stax/Volt Review - which is well worth acquiring, to watch or to own. One of my favorite parts is watching Donald Dunn really get into it. Otis looks so mature for his age. It's hard to imagine he was only 26.

I remember having tickets to see Otis Redding in a show in San Francisco, then receiving the news of his death a few days before the show would have been (on a Wed?). I can find no information that he was scheduled to play in San Francisco then and now wonder if I am confused about this? It's just that, one doesn't forget things like that.

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:20 pm
by NormanD
The clip of Otis on "The!!!!Beat" is great. My banal thought (once again, I have lots of these) is that his trousers are terrible, in both style and practicality. You wouldn't want a night out drinking pints with a pair like that on.

I, too, missed out on a chance to see him (and the rest of the Stax/Volt Review) because it was a mid-week gig a long way from home, and I was working the next day. A crap job as well. So it goes, so it went.

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 8:23 pm
by john poole
judith wrote:I remember having tickets to see Otis Redding in a show in San Francisco, then receiving the news of his death a few days before the show would have been (on a Wed?). I can find no information that he was scheduled to play in San Francisco then and now wonder if I am confused about this? It's just that, one doesn't forget things like that.
Judith, you can remember the sixties. Otis was due to be the headliner at the Winterland Ballroom after Christmas from Tuesday 26th to Thursday 28th December, 1967 with The Doors supporting - in the event The Doors headlined with Chuck Berry supporting.

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:54 pm
by judith
Thanks for the information, John. Remembering things from the 60's is hard, doubt filled. The internet helps somewhat yet sometimes one wonders if they are remembering an event, subsequent photos/articles, or a friend's dubious reminiscences. However, I have always remembered holding the ticket in my hands and looking at it with teary eyes, yet I've not ever been able to find any dates for that SF concert, thus I've wondered if it was an imagined memory. I remember the day, Wednesday, and for a long time thought of that as the day he died, but it would have been the concert day my ticket was for. I was a couple of weeks off as to when it was to be held. I do know I did not attend the concert.

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:27 am
by AndyM
I think it was that very fine critic the late Richard Cook who put forward the heretical view that Otis was overrated, relied on just a few oft-repeated tricks and (most daminingly) was a baleful influence on later singers, especially those aspiring to do ''''white soul'''', who copied his quirks and tics in a way that led to all sorts of horrors. You can hardly blame Otis for inspiring poor imitators, but I sometimes think there is some truth in the other accusations. He made some great tracks, of course, but wasn't it a very limited style ?

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:45 am
by john poole
You might argue as to whether there were better soul singers, but in partnership with Steve Cropper and the Stax crew, Otis made the best records I think, and it was very sad for us that he didn't live to pursue the new direction he appeared to be starting with 'The Dock of the Bay'. Live he could tend to be rather frenetic, but when the Stax / Volt Revue toured Europe, he had to follow Sam & Dave - if I remember correctly it was Wayne Jackson who said that Sam & Dave would drive the audience into a frenzy and Otis had to hit the stage "smoking".

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:50 am
by AndyM
Yes, an older, calmer Otis would have been something to be-hear.

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:05 pm
by Rob Hall
I don't think his was a very limited style, certainly no more than could be said of any similar entertainer. I think his success and enduring reputation was/is down to many diverse elements: he had a voice which appealed to both black and white audiences alike; he was at the forefront of the breakout of "soul" music at a time when it was having significant impact in the charts; he was an accomplished songwriter; he seems to have been held in great affection by those who knew him as a genuinely nice guy; and he died tragically young, at his peak.

Watching the clip (above) of him in London with the MGs & the Mar-Keys gives me mixed feelings. He puts on a fantastic performance, but having Emperor Rosko bring him back more than once to perform his "gotta-gotta-gotta-gotta" schtick leaves me uncomfortable on any number of levels. I suspect that it is this element of his performance that is at the root of Richard Cook's criticism; personally, I can live with it as it is a relatively small part of what he delivers overall. (But that up-close-and-personal camera - how can anyone do justice to the paying audience when they have such a distraction in their face? That he pulls it off is further testament to his talent, imho.)

Re: Otis Redding (Born 9th September, 1941)

PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:22 pm
by Adam Blake
AndyM wrote:I think it was that very fine critic the late Richard Cook who put forward the heretical view that Otis was overrated


If I can make a little comparison of critics, it was actually Nik Cohn who first put forward that view in 1969, but Charles Shaar Murray makes a spirited defence of Otis by pointing out that, despite these apparent shortcomings, Otis Redding had the rare gift of making his audience feel and care for him - much like B.B.King in fact, who is being discussed elsewhere today (what fun!)