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Dissidenten

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 8:50 pm
by Chris P
Is this forum on the case with Dissidenten - surely pioneers of WM (Tm registered).
I'm listening to the Instinctive Traveller album right now and it's a lot more poppy and clubby than I would expect from some German ex-hippies cum Krautrockers (they were in Embryo weren't they ?). Good and very varied sources at play in this upvibeful '97 recording (vocals mostly English lang. by daughter of Uwe Mullrich - Bajka) .

But I'm sure I don't remember hearing about the death of Moroccan collaborator and Lem Chaheb member here or in fRoots :
Moulay Cherif Lamrani died in Rabat on Wednesday 27th October at the age of 55
after prolonged illness. What a great loss to his family, friends, fans and the music world. Cherif certainly was one of the best arabic songwriters and musician and he will be sadly missed.


And do Dissidenten ever touch down live in the Uk ? - we're not included in their current tour.

And anyone heard (or even seen a review of) this year's album with Moroccans Jil Jilala ?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 9:04 pm
by Jonathan E.
Dissidenten seem to have had a fairly long and varied career almost completely unnoticed by the English speaking world. I have five vinyl LPs, a 12", and a couple of CDs if I remember right. Possibly also a weird homemade cassette sent to me by Uve Müllrich after I interviewed him when they attempted to break into the US market. I think I saw it the other day when digging into the old tapes. Can't say I listen to 'em much any more, but I recall that one of my favourites was the Germanistan — I Wish I Could Stay Far Away, a collaboration with Karnataka College of Pecussion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:09 pm
by John Crosby
The band had a big push in the UK after GlobeStyle released Sahara Elektrik back in the late '80s (they've been around an astonishing 27 years!). Not sure if he's still booking them, but Ian Smith at frusion agency was / is handling gigs for them, both UK and worldwide. I'm sure he can update you if you drop him an email ian@frusion.co.uk

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:39 pm
by Adam Blake
Never 'eard of 'em... Chris, you and I like old Faust and Can and Henry Cow records and other "opaque melodies that would bug most people" - as Captain Beefheart once so memorably put it. Do you think I'd like this lot?

Re: Dissidenten

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 4:57 pm
by Jamie Renton
Chris Potts wrote:And anyone heard (or even seen a review of) this year's album with Moroccans Jil Jilala ?[/b][/i]


Just listening to it now & none too impressed so far I'm afraid. It sounds like pedestrian rock with a North African flavour. Much niffy riffing of the kind that blights the worst of Rachid Taha's output.

But hey, what do I know? I was never really a fan of Faust or Can or Captain Beefheart for that matter.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 5:50 pm
by Ian A.
Jonathan E. wrote:Dissidenten seem to have had a fairly long and varied career almost completely unnoticed by the English speaking world.

If you check the fRoots indexes on our site you'll find a feature and 7 album reviews logged - so I think that ought to read "without the English speaking world paying attention". As John Crosby pointed out, Sahara Elektrik was quite a well-played item when GlobeStyle issued it here. We see Friedo every year at Womex - he works for one of the German record distributors i.i.r.c.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 6:50 pm
by Jonathan E.
Ian A. wrote:
Jonathan E. wrote:Dissidenten seem to have had a fairly long and varied career almost completely unnoticed by the English speaking world.

If you check the fRoots indexes on our site you'll find a feature and 7 album reviews logged - so I think that ought to read "without the English speaking world paying attention". As John Crosby pointed out, Sahara Elektrik was quite a well-played item when GlobeStyle issued it here. We see Friedo every year at Womex - he works for one of the German record distributors i.i.r.c.

I take your point, Ian, but would maintain that "a feature and 7 album reviews logged" in fRoots is close to the equivalent of being "almost completely unnoticed by the English speaking world," possibly closer than "without the English speaking world paying attention." Whatever.

Besides Sahara Elektrik, which got that little bit of attention, there was a small flurry of activity over Out Of This World in the US and a later release, The Jungle Book. Both releases got moderate promotional efforts made on their behalf, but neither really made Dissidenten's name in the US.

I see that the CD of Sahara Elektrik now fetches fairly silly money, $40 plus on Amazon, as a used item! Obviously, some people somewhere are paying some kind of attention these days.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 8:40 pm
by Chris P
Adam Blake wrote:you and I like old Faust and Can and Henry Cow records

Sshh ! I don't want everyone to know...(I think I mentioned it a couple of times, but I don't think anyone noticed, so we got away with it)
then quoting DVV he wrote:and other "opaque melodies that would bug most people"

yeh, I love that line !
this woz then wot he wrote:Do you think I'd like this lot?

maybe, maybe not, I'm only just getting to know their music, and I'd say 'Instinctive Traveller' is good, but has aged a bit (very 90's world fusion sound & Neneh Cherryesque vocals). But I'm going to carry on listening to what I can pick up by them, and may report back
Chilli Fried Jamie wrote: I was never really a fan of Faust or Can or Captain Beefheart for that matter.

Aha I thought so - so you are a Henry Cow fan !
(no thread drift incurred as the Cow were pals of Embryo, who Dissidenten evolved from)

Re: Dissidenten

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:03 pm
by Chris P
Jamie Renton wrote:
Chris Potts wrote:And anyone heard (or even seen a review of) this year's album with Moroccans Jil Jilala ?

Just listening to it now & none too impressed so far I'm afraid. It sounds like pedestrian rock with a North African flavour. Much niffy riffing of the kind that blights the worst of Rachid Taha's output.


That's a shame, I'm a fan of Jil Jilala, they are contemporaries of Nass El Ghiwane, but maybe their line-up is also mainly different since their glory days in the 70s

niffy riffing

niffy or nifty ? I enjoyed Taha's bands nifty riffing this year at Womad. They were immeasurably better than at Womad 6 years ago. The electric oud and N. African percussion was much more prominent and integrated, so they still rocked but in a rhythmic not a grungey pedestrian way

Re: Dissidenten

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:13 pm
by Jamie Renton
Chris Potts wrote:
niffy riffing

niffy or nifty ? I enjoyed Taha's bands nifty riffing this year at Womad. They were immeasurably better than firrst time at Womad 6 or so years ago.


Niffy I'm afraid Chris. I agree Rachid Taha is very good live nowadays, unfortunately the new Dissidentan (on 1st listen at least) reminds me a lot more of Taha back in the bad old days of leather trousered plod rockin'

But I'll try it again & report back if I note any hitherto hidden dephs.