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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 4:04 pm
by Paul S
You're spot-on, Norman - it is a Bert Berns production.
http://bertberns.com/vinyl/vinyl-1/baby ... hoagy.html
and further Googling reveals that backing vocals were by Cissy Houston, Dee Dee Warwick and possibly Judy Clay.
http://www.soulfulkindamusic.net/hlands.htm
and that Led Zeppelin covered Hoagy's A side, 'Baby Come On Home'
and Hilton Valentine confirms in an interview that The Animals copied that acoustic intro for their version of the song.

But the big question remains (apart from the obvious answer) how many other musicians are blessed with the name Hoaglands?

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 5:48 pm
by NormanD
There is a Solomon Burke song - the name of which escapes me, but it was later revived by Robert Cray - that also has a 12-string intro, and you didn't get too many of those around that time, apart from The Rooftop Singers. Maybe the same guitarist.

The back-up singers really are good, not surprising!

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 6:18 pm
by Paul S
Hadn't occurred to me before, but there's a definite similarity:

http://www.divshare.com/download/5851309-ee2
(must be this one, Norman?)

Used to have a great version of this by Gary Farr & The T-Bones.

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 7:15 pm
by NormanD
Thanks Paul, you got it in one. Great to hear this one again. There's a lot more acoustic guitar on than I remember. Think this was the start of acoustic soul?

Bert Berns had a distinct sound to much of his work, and a very under-rated one. There's an interesting discussion elsewhere - I don't know if you saw it - where Gordon N claims (controversially claims, as it's normally put) that Kenny Hamber's "Show Me Your Monkey' (produced by BB) is better than anything Bob Dylan has produced in the last thirty years.

Has anyone heard the version of "Baby Let Me Take You Home" by The Mustangs on the recent Ace BB compilation? Who's the band?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 11:16 am
by birdyoshi
Sorry to be a newbie, but is there an elephant in the cyberspace here? I mean, when I listened to Hoagy Lands sing "Baby Let Me Hold Your Hand", I didn't realize I was hearing the origin of a Bob Dylan or Animals track - I thought you all were going to say it was the origin of "I want to Hold Your Hand" by the Beatles. I read that the Beatles first years' music was inspired but derivative, but they started making their own sound with "I want to Hold Your Hand"... but the beginning of this Hoagy track has a familiar bounce, doesn't it?

(please tolerate the newbie... I'm learning... )

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 2:33 pm
by john poole
I Want to Hold Your Hand was recorded on 17 October, 1963 which I think pre-dates the Hoagy Lands release by a few months?

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 5:18 pm
by NormanD
NormanD wrote:There is a Solomon Burke song...that also has a 12-string intro, and you didn't get too many of those around that time....Maybe the same guitarist.
Sincethis thread has reappeared, here's a bit more trivia re. the guitarist - it was Mike Leander, the British arranger who died in 1996. He was one of those significant, but little known, behind-the-scenes guys. One source tells us:
In 1964, he was asked to go and work in America by Jerry Wexler, head of Atlantic Records and worked as a producer/arranger with Ben E King and the Drifters and several other artists on the label. It was with the Drifters that he had his first number one hit in the American charts with UNDER THE BOARD WALK... He considered his finest arrangement to be SHE'S LEAVING HOME on the 'SERGEANT PEPPER' album.
http://www.glitterband.fsnet.co.uk/mikebiog.htm

I understand that he and Bert Berns did a job swap: Leander went to NY, and Berns came over here, working with Them, Lulu, etc.

PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 9:04 pm
by john poole
Even more trivia - Martin / Scott, the composers of Won't You Give Him (One More Chance) must presumably be Bill Martin (writer of various Eurovision songs including Puppet on a String) and Decca producer Tommy Scott.