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Hoagy Who?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:54 pm
by Paul S
The pleasure of finding things you never knew existed.

Downloaded a compilation recently that claimed to have original versions of famous 60's hits. Entertaining stuff, with Loudermilk's 'Tobacco Road', Tommy Hunt's awesome 'I Just Don't Know What To Do With Myself', but the big surprise was this.

http://www.divshare.com/download/5756102-b23

Obviously not the original version of 'Baby let Me Follow You Down' if such a thing exists, but something I first heard via The Animals, as a teenager in the early 60's. I have never heard this version played anywhere, let alone heard of Hoagy Lands before - and I thought I knew a bit about 60's soul singers. What a voice, eerily like Sam Cooke.

Even the song's Wikipedia page fails to list it- (and they're always 100% correct, aren't they?)

Re: Hoagy Who?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:13 pm
by Alan Balfour
Paul S wrote:Obviously not the original version of 'Baby let Me Follow You Down' if such a thing exists, but something I first heard via The Animals, as a teenager in the early 60's.
15 years ago when Michael Gray was revising his book "Song & Dance Man" he asked if I would have a stab at a chronological lineage of the Mama Can I Do It For You/Mama Let Me Lay It On You/Baby Let Me Follow You Down/ Mama Don't You Tear My Clothes/Baby Let Me Hold Your Hand etc etc song family. Unfortunately I never kept it, however those in possession of Michael's "Song & Dance Man III" can find a rework of what I sent as a lengthy footnote on page 286, part of a wonderfully titled chapter - Even Post-Structuralists Oughta Have The Pre-War-Blues.

LATER ADDITION - quickly knocked together this. By no means comprehensive but should give an idea of chronology.

21/2/1930 Memphis Minnie Can I Do It For You
10/1/1935 State Street Boys Don't Tear My Clothes
8/2/1936 Walter Coleman Mama Let Me Lay It On You
27/3/36 Sheik Johnson Baby Let Me Lay It On You
29/4/1936 Blind Boy Fuller Mama Let Me Lay It On You
11/5/1936 Georgia White Daddy Let Me Lay It On You
26/6/36 Washboard Sam Don't You Tear My Clothes
26/l/37 Chicago Black Swans Don't You Tear My Clothes No.2
26/1/37 Billy and Mary Mack Don't You Tear My Clothes No.2
26/1/37 State Street Boys Don't You Tear My Clothes No.2
12/5/37 Harlem Hamfats Baby Don't You Tear My Clothes
25/1/38 Red Nelson Don't Tear My Clothes No.3
23/12/52 Smokey Hogg Baby Don't You Tear My Clothes
1957 Professor Longhair Baby Let Me Hold Your Hand
1959 Snooks Eaglin Don't You Tear My Clothes

PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:59 pm
by Rob Hall
I'm guessing that the collection you downloaded Paul, is the excellent "You Heard It Here First", which we discussed a while back here.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:49 am
by Paul S
I was away when that thread started, but you are correct, Rob.
(Sorry for re-hashing such a recent topic, but that Hoagy Lands track is so good).
Alan - I was hoping someone would turn up with a proper history of the song and you haven't let me down. Thank you.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:56 am
by Rob Hall
Paul S wrote:I was away when that thread started, but you are correct, Rob.
(Sorry for re-hashing such a recent topic, but that Hoagy Lands track is so good).
Alan - I was hoping someone would turn up with a proper history of the song and you haven't let me down. Thank you.


No apologies necessary. I just thought you might find the discussion interesting.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:14 pm
by Neil Foxlee
Baby Let Me Follow You Down?

That couldn't by any chance have a sexual connotation, could it?

Unlike OV Wright, who sang I Don't Do Windows...

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:34 pm
by Alan Balfour
Paul S wrote:Alan - I was hoping someone would turn up with a proper history of the song and you haven't let me down. Thank you.
Hardly "proper history" but I did supply Michael G. with a cassette of those African American recordings in chronological order so he could compare and contrast with the Von Schmidt, Dylan, Animals et al tune/lyric variations. There's a 1959 Lomax recording of a fife and drum duo (Ed & Lonnie Young) performing the number under the title "Chevolet" which I'm sure was later taken up by Jim Kweskin. That in turn spawned a rework by a 60s Brit rock group who renamed it "Watch And Chain". But does one really need to know all this minutiae?

Re: Hoagy Who?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 3:35 pm
by Charlie
Alan Balfour wrote:1959 Snooks Eaglin Don't You Tear My Clothes

I was so late, this was my first experience of the song. I can still hear his husky voice, saying, you can push and pull baby all night long, but mama don't you tear my clothes.

At the time I hadn't come close to experiencing such an event, and to be this close was quite a thrill, in a vicarious way.

Hopefully, something like this might occur in the future.

Re: Hoagy Who?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 4:54 pm
by Alan Balfour
Alan Balfour wrote:1959 Snooks Eaglin Don't You Tear My Clothes
Charlie wrote:[I was so late, this was my first experience of the song. I can still hear his husky voice, saying, you can push and pull baby all night long, but mama don't you tear my clothes.
I too can hear that delivery of those lyrics. With the possible exception of "Brown Skinned Woman" and its Calypso type beat, that rendition of "Don't You Tear My Clothes" is probably the most memorable performance on the entire LP.

Re: Hoagy Who?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:52 pm
by Neil Foxlee
Charlie wrote:
Alan Balfour wrote:1959 Snooks Eaglin Don't You Tear My Clothes

I was so late, this was my first experience of the song. I can still hear his husky voice, saying, you can push and pull baby all night long, but mama don't you tear my clothes.

At the time I hadn't come close to experiencing such an event, and to be this close was quite a thrill, in a vicarious way.

Hopefully, something like this might occur in the future.


Good to see there's life in the old dog yet.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:17 pm
by NormanD
Late to this thread. Just listened to that Hoagy Lands song....
Va va voom!! Sam Cooke for sure - it sounds like a Bert Berns production, what with the 12-string guitar intro.

Does anyone have the sleeve notes to tell us, please, what the CD says about this song - the background and the singer? I always thought that The Animals snitched the song from Dylan's eponymous first album (where he credits Eric von Schmidt), as they did with their version of "House Of The Rising Sun".

Thanks for that list, Alan. I did ask - in the thread that Rob links us to - that you got to the bottom of that song, which you have here. There is a more recent version by Etta James, on that acoustic blues album she did.

I think that "Chevrolet" is like a blood cousin, but a different song. The first version of that one I ever heard was by Donovan Leech, which he called something like "Hey Gyp (Dig The Slowness)". Geoff Muldaur revived it a few years back, developing it from drum and fife to a big band stomper.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:24 pm
by Neil Foxlee
Donovan Leech? Freudian slip? As far as I can recall, Donovan's second name was Leitch.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:50 pm
by Alan Balfour
Neil Foxlee wrote:Donovan Leech? Freudian slip? As far as I can recall, Donovan's second name was Leitch.
Yes and his daughter is the film actress Ione Skye [Leitch]. More useless info from Balfour.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:02 pm
by Neil Foxlee
You could have a thread on rude songs (eg Tutti Frutti) whose lyrics were cleaned up for popular consumption.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 9:20 pm
by NormanD
Neil Foxlee wrote:Donovan Leech? Freudian slip? As far as I can recall, Donovan's second name was Leitch.
Not a Freudian slip, just a deliberate provocation.