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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:04 pm
by matt
Exactly Jonathan...show me the money!

Its brave new richer poorer world

PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:19 pm
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
However, answering my own question, here's a very rough first draft outline of something that may go some way to answering the issues raised by Rob and Neil. I'm hoping it works within web culture by being a networked, non-coercive project.

1. We (I know, who is "we") identify a charity no-profit organization that helps old and ailing African musicians, perhaps has some youth education program as well. This must be an open, above-the-board, effective operation, either with a web presence or able to utilize one.

2. We (again, there's that problematic pronoun) request (not demand or insist or require) that those with blogs and downloads provide a link to the charity's site and a spiel on why to support it. Spiel could be pre-written. Those who download may feel inclined to send some money once in a while if it's easy enough.

Personally, I, with a blog, would not only provide such a link but would also donate $50 perhaps annually to such a charity. I would not be surprised if others would do the same. Certainly, I'd ask them.

So, not perfect, but an improvement on the current situation? Suggestions welcome, either here or via email from my profile page welcome.

I'll provide more details and philosophical underpinings in the next few days, perhaps over the weekend. I'd guess that such a thing might be able to get going within six months given the research and coordination needed — not to mention arms twisted.

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:17 am
by matt
OR give the money to a stranger!

:-)

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:41 am
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
I'm laughing 'cos there's the crazy wisdom in that!

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:27 pm
by Neil Foxlee
Jonathan wrote: "We (I know, who is "we") identify a charity no-profit organization that helps old and ailing African musicians, perhaps has some youth education program as well. This must be an open, above-the-board, effective operation, either with a web presence or able to utilize one. "

Identify? I think "create" would probably be the operative word here - unless someone *can* identify such an organization. I rather doubt, however, whether "we" have the time and energy to create one from scratch.

In the meantime, concerned consumers could perhaps prioritize purchases from record companies/download outfits with some kind of relevant ethical commitment, and try to put pressure on other companies without such a commitment to make one.

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 8:57 pm
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
Moving forward inch by inch:

By "we", I'm assuming that I will do a far amount of the grunt work and am prepared to do so. It will take a while since I have plenty of other things to do — but I'm also assuming that critical help will come from others when it's needed. Matt has already sent me his thoughts about a similar project he has been thinking about and I believe that together we can achieve things that appear daunting on an individual basis. For now, I'm doing background thinking and as always I welcome and appreciate ideas — so please keep sending them.

The point about identifying and/or creating the relevant charity is indeed one that is a major issue. Suffice it to say, I believe that we'll find several regional ones (and further thought brought up the fact that we should find several in distinct regions). I am not prepared to create such a thing from scratch, but I'm sure they exist and some networking will find them. I think we'd be able to help with a web presence if that was all that was lacking.

A big part of my thinking is to avoid overhead and bureaucracy and create something more-or-less self-sustaining, something that recognizes the imperfections of the system but does what it can to improve things even if it's not a standardized legal accounting. It might appear to be as Matt says, "Giving money to a stranger," but I lived in California long enough with enough crazy people to like that idea and think it's valid. I also never forget that "To live outside the law, you must be honest." Sorry if that's not an exactly correct quotation, but I think Mr. D will let Mr. E get away with it!

Anyway, I think this project is a worthwhile one. Also that it requires some patience and commitment. Like I said, about six months to get it going. Maybe more — there's a fair of coordination involved. So, yes! Spend your money wisely and ethically when you can but we're working in the non-cash world. It is the root of all evil, after all!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 6:40 pm
by Malachy O'Neill
Sorry about picking up this thread so late on, but this is one of the most fascinating conversations on the forum, and there's no shortage of those... Between you you've expressed very articulately so many nebulous notions I've had in my head - about the ethics of the music I love and the way I listen to it. Thanks.

Apologies also for reposting the Awesome Tapes link a couple of days ago, I should've realised that you were all a good year or two ahead of me!

Tell me, did anything come of the project that was taking shape in the correspondence above? I think it sounds like a brilliant idea, and I'd happily support...

PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 4:06 am
by jackdaw version
I was dreading the day this question would come up. The answer is "No. The project is not underway. My time and energy never got into the right alignment with the stars — and it remains simply an idea. Perhaps you'd care to take the ball and run with it."