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I did. I'm the youngest of three sons. The eldest failed the 11+ and went to a secondary modern school (a real dump, in all senses, named after the town's great C19th poet). The middle brother was a 'borderline' pass, so went to a technical high school, which was not-quite-the-grammar-school. I was the grammar grub, and spent the first three years or so in fear of bullying, anti-semitism, organised sports, sexual abuse, and being ashamed of coming from a less well-off family.Hugh Weldon wrote:Ideologically unsound I guess, but I would imagine there's more than one or two of us here that benefited from them.
In France, I think I'm right in saying that most private schools are religious (Catholic
jackdaw version wrote: I went to a bloody public school, actually two of them, and a horrible boarding prep school at the age of eight. All run by Jesuits, the Pope's Gestapo. And, I say, sod the whole fucking system!
Grammar school kids never really fit. Too well educated for the common touch, too much yob to be in with the nobs. You get to sit at the table but you're never quite sure if you're Upstairs or Downstairs.
There's a reason for this, there's a reason education sucks, and it's the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It's never going to get any better. Don't look for it. Be happy with what you've got... because the owners of this country don’t want that. I'm talking about the real owners now... the real owners. The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin’ years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it.
Hugh Weldon wrote:It's not so much about exam results as the blistering sense of confidence and entitlement (cushioned by money of course) that the public school ethos instils. But if you did want to bring about more social mobility through educational policy, you just bring back grammar schools and selection. Ideologically unsound I guess, but I would imagine there's more than one or two of us here that benefited from them.
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