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Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:39 pm
by Philellinas
Some heartening news from Catalonia (if not Spain) that bullfighting is to be banned:-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10784611

Bullfighting (i.e. killing as in similar euphemisms such as deerstalking) has been glorified and glamorised by the likes of Ernest Hemingway but I cannot see the attraction. As with the hunting ban here the usual arguments in favour of retaining animal cruelty have been trotted out: loss of tradition and livelihood amongst them. Presumably the redundant toreadors/matadors will have to be put down if they can't find alternative employment. What about the Pamplona bull run next for the chop? Or do the bulls have a fair chance of crushing or goring the predominantly male runners in this form of entertainment?

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:48 pm
by AndyM
I can see, and have experienced, the attraction, but I tend not to admit this in polite company.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:59 pm
by Des
I hate bullfighting more than just about every other form of animal abuse, so this is good news as far as I am concerned. In comparison, foxhunting, game shooting and deerstalking seem almost benign country pursuits and to be perfectly honest I was never that exercised about the hunting ban.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:55 pm
by Dayna
I've heard on Animal Planet channel that those bulls have been bred centuries to be mean and they will kill you but it does seem like s cruel sport, but these past few years, I've gotten to where I can't watch horse racing either because it seems so brutal.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:12 pm
by Des
Dayna wrote:I've heard on Animal Planet channel that those bulls have been bred centuries to be mean and they will kill


Sadly they don't kill enough matadors.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:19 pm
by Hugh Weldon
Perhaps this has more to do with Catalunya wanting to assert itself as more modern and progressive than old traditional Spain? I don't think bullfighting has been a particularly big thing there actually, compared to other Spanish regions.

Though I've come close to bullrings, I've never been tempted to go inside. I would think you need Spanish friends to initiate you into the mystique and the traditions to really understand it. But how much of that is window dressing of something fairly crude and cruel I leave to others to decide.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:40 pm
by AndyM
The regional politics angle is certainly crucial in all of this.

If anyone (though it wouldn't appeal not already irrevocably opposed to the corrida) would like to read something that captures the ambiguities and awful allure of it all, this is (IMHO) a seriously great book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bullfighting-Ye ... 32&sr=1-16

Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:50 pm
by Philellinas
I just think that any entertainment that involves inflicting gratuitous pain or cruelty on animals (or even human beings) deserves to be banned. In Eastern Europe this used to take the form of dancing bears. Thankfully the only reminder left in Greece is a proverb "Νηστικό αρκούδι δε χορεύει", i.e. "a starving bear doesn't dance". The closest I've come to a bullring is the centre of Birmingham...

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 6:56 pm
by Des
I agree with Phil. Frankly I don't give a fuck about the cultural or 'artistic' so-called merits of this despicable 'sport'. I hope that Spaniards will see it as unnacceptably cruel and dehumanising sooner rather than later. Unlike Phil I couldn't care less if people get killed doing this - it's just what they deserve.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 12:52 pm
by Philellinas
Des wrote:... Unlike Phil I couldn't care less if people get killed doing this - it's just what they deserve.

That sentence should read "Like Phil....",Des. If people (mostly men, I imagine) need an adrenalin rush from running in front of a rampaging bull in Pamplona but they end up getting gored or crushed then they deserve no sympathy. So-called extreme sports elicit the same response. Give me a nice tranquil day's birdwatching any day...

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:12 pm
by Des
Apologies for misrepresenting you Phil - I agree 100% with you there!

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 3:36 pm
by Neil Foxlee

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:06 am
by joel
I wonder if the Catalans will now also ban Flamenco, another non-Catalan tradition.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:11 pm
by Des
I'm no more interested in the political background to torturing animals than I am in the politics of raping children.

Re: Bullfighting ban in Catalonia

PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 2:27 pm
by Neil Foxlee