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Charlie wrote:A God-fearing neighbour who saw it on our sitting room table went nearly purple with anger, saying he thought Dawkins was as fanatical and intolerant in his non-believing as any fundamentalist religious zealot.
As for Christopher Hitchens: itâ€™s no surprise to see him jump on the bandwagon.
howard male wrote:Con wrote -As for Christopher Hitchens: itâ€™s no surprise to see him jump on the bandwagon.
Hitchins' book is heartfelt and passionate - not at all the work of a bandwagon jumper.
howard male wrote:As for the Communism, Fascism comment - no argument can be summed up in two words but having read the man's book I do understand what he means by 'secularised religion' though he under played his argument by not also pointing out that many of Hitler's men (and arguably Hitler himself) were practising Catholics.
Yes, many members of the Catholic Church unforgivably colluded with the Nazis. So did many French farmers. So are we going to blame the worst crime of the 20th Century on the agrarian revolution?
howard male wrote:Con wrote -Yes, many members of the Catholic Church unforgivably colluded with the Nazis. So did many French farmers. So are we going to blame the worst crime of the 20th Century on the agrarian revolution?
French farmers were individuals with families whose safety they must have feared for - their collusion can be understood even if it's not forgiven. The Catholic church is a powerful monolithic organisation with responsibilities to the population and - supposedly - a higher moral purpose!
Adam Blake wrote:Civilisation is only two hot meals deep: When the population of a "civilised" country have to go without two hot meals in a row because there is no food, the guys with guns start robbing the guys without guns. That's got nothing to do with religion.
Adam Blake wrote:
I hate Dawkins and all who sail in him (sorry Howard, but I do), especially that four letter fart Pullman who thinks he's so damned clever for making untold millions by ripping off chunks of Dante, Milton and weaving it together with J.K.Rowling in order to impress his oh-so-enlightened anti-Christian bullshit on a credulous populace starved to death of any kind of spiritual sustenance.
Religion is the mechanism and/or the excuse for many evil acts (it's far and away the biggest and most pervasive, I would argue), but it's not the cause of them. That honour belongs to mankind.
Con Murphy wrote:Fair enough, I'm probably doing him an injustice, but I didn't really mean the Dawkins bandwagon so much as the atheist-zealot one that (understandably) has been on a bit of a roll over the last few years.
Tom McPhillips wrote:That you profess to be a Bhuddist surprises me, I thought one of the better tenets of that philosophy was to honour the otherness in people, I know Ying and Yang is more Chinese than Indian, but isn't that holistic view fundamental to your philosophy
Adam Blake wrote: Just because Pullman is a good writer doesn't mean he isn't a smug sonofabitch plagiarist who needs a good kicking.
Adam Blake wrote: And Dawkins... The kind of guy who'd look at a perfect sunset and start trying to describe it to you, in deeply condescending tones.
And Dawkins... The kind of guy who'd look at a perfect sunset and start trying to describe it to you, in deeply condescending tones.
I have read neither the Dawkins or Hitchens book and have no intention of doing so: Hitchens i find especially offensive, a literary bootboy, Julie Burchill on steroids. A writer who does interest me is English philosopher John Gray and i thought his comments on fundamentalist athieists from last week's Guardian Review might be of interest to this debate:
howard male wrote:[Isn't it the same as when you describe and analyse the chord progression in a favourite Beatles song, Adam? I don't mean the condescending tones bit of course!
It's like you're saying that if you were sitting in a room with these three men, you would listen intently while Gray made his points, but then stick your fingers in your ears while going "blaaaahhh" whenever the other two spoke.
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