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Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:33 am
by Adam Blake
Jamie Renton wrote:
AndyM wrote:
Garth Cartwright wrote: and talent and what an unsavoury character JP was: doing hard drugs with his teenage kids... Fascinating how beautiful music can come from nasty individuals.


Raping his daughter too. Unsavoury ain't the half of it. But does this stop 'California Dreaming' sounding wonderful ?

Not to my ears. But it's that Gary Glitter conundrum, I suppose.


...and yet can I find a record label interested in releasing my proposed compilation "Greatest Rock n Roll Kiddie Diddlers"?

It's political correctness gone mad I tell you



Jamie, it's just economics. Who in this day and age can really afford to press up a 37 cd box set?

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 10:48 am
by Rob Hall
Thank you Adam, you've just made me laugh out loud.

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:34 am
by Jamie Renton
Rob Hall wrote:Thank you Adam, you've just made me laugh out loud.


Me too.

Only 37?

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:49 pm
by john poole
It should perhaps be mentioned that some members of Phillips' extended family disbelieved or doubted Mackenzie's allegations.

I still have the original US paperback of "Papa John" which I seem to have paid £4.25 for. As far as I remember, rather than being 550 pages long it would have been a fairly slim volume if references to drugs had been omitted. His memory of the 1960s may not have been the best as evidenced by the story of him returning the first royalty cheque he received from Judy Collins' recording of his song 'Me and my Uncle' as he did not think he had written it and thought it was a mistake. I did recently pick up a cheap copy of Matthew Greenwald's "oral history" of The Ms & the Ps - "Go Where You Wanna Go", which I've not got around to reading yet, but it looks like a better read despite only one Mama and one Papa still being with us when it was published in 2002. Eddi Fiegel's Cass Elliot biography "Dream a Little Dream of Me" is excellent if an ultimately sad story. I think I saw copies of the paperback reduced to £1 recently.

1964-9 for the Kinks' great period I think, with only one or two less than wonderful moments including the single 'Plastic Man' (the only time Ray came second to Frank Zappa). 1968's "Village Green Preservation Society" was their best LP ("Probably my favourite album by any band - ever" - Pete Townshend). Pete also says that he feels "a sense of dismay" if he sees that the Who rather than the Kinks are considered one of the big three UK groups of the 60s. Ray did go on write some good songs in the early 70s including a couple for the silly (by all accounts; I've never seen it) film "Percy" and if his subsequent work was less memorable on the whole that's hardly unique amongst his contemporaries.

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:07 pm
by Adam Blake
john poole wrote: only one or two less than wonderful moments including the single 'Plastic Man' (the only time Ray came second to Frank Zappa)


The way Ray sings: "and his children wanna be plastic like their dad" is one of my favourite Kinks moments, so it just goes to show...

"Village Green" is my favourite too, but I love them all.

"Percy" is a very, very, very silly film. I took myself off to see it by myself when I was a teenager. It's about a bloke who has a penis transplant looking for all the owners of the various vaginas that his new found member has visited, however briefly. This was what Ray chose to devote his energies to instead of consolidating the success of "Lola". One begins to sympathise with his managers. However, "Percy" contains at least two good songs. I've always loved this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLAWFw46tb8

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:51 pm
by AndyM
john poole wrote: Eddi Fiegel's Cass Elliot biography "Dream a Little Dream of Me" is excellent if an ultimately sad story. I think I saw copies of the paperback reduced to £1 recently.



Yes, that's a great book, one of the best pop biogs I've read in recent years.

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:16 pm
by Chris P
71's Muswell Hillbillies mean's their/his glory years certainly extended beyond the 60s, in anyone bar the stone-tone-deaf's book of noises

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 7:48 pm
by john poole
Chris P wrote:71's Muswell Hillbillies mean's their/his glory years certainly extended beyond the 60s, in anyone bar the stone-tone-deaf's book of noises
When I listened to MH for the first time for a fair number of years I did find that it was a somewhat better album than I remembered, although it's a lesser work than say Face to Face, Something Else ..., or Village Green ... imo. But I may be stone-tone-deaf...

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:16 pm
by Adam Blake
"Muswell Hillbillies" is a cracking good Kinks album, tragically compromised by a lousy awful production. "Ev'rybody's In Showbiz..." was the first really patchy one, but it sounded better, and it did have "Sitting In My Hotel" on it which is right up there with his best.

Re: Ray Davies: A Complicated Life

PostPosted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 12:24 pm
by john poole
Two estranged brothers briefly reunited this week for Christmas
https://www.facebook.com/bjwood/videos/ ... =2&theater