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Tupac

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:06 pm
by Garth Cartwright
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04g10zp

We never really discuss rap here, do we? I listened to Tupac while he was alive - I used to read intvs with him in The Source and Vibe and wonder that anyone could be so articulate yet such a violent nihilist - and never thought he was much of a rapper but one helluva character. No surprise he died violently as he promoted so much violence while alive. Anyway, this programme is about his life and cult and has a few interesting moments tho that awful academic who contributes to the Guardian on pop culture is allowed to blather.

Re: Tupac

PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:59 pm
by Adam Blake
Garth Cartwright wrote:We never really discuss rap here, do we?



Don't know much about it. The other guy on the forum who knew a lot about Rap - Whitebeard - hasn't posted for a very long time.

I always thought it was a crying shame that Tupac and Biggy Smalls allowed themselves to be manipulated by gangsters. In this, they were in a long and ignoble tradition of black music - the only difference being that the gangsters were black. ("Their bankers, however, were white" - Nik Cohn)

I am fascinated by pre-rap rap - like The Last Poets and Bo Diddley - and the roots of Gangsta such as Sidney Bechet's "Preachin' Blues" and Robert Johnson's, uh, "Preachin' Blues"...

I loved Jazz meets hip-hop - as exemplified by Jazzmatazz, Us3, Digable Planets. I thought it was a wonderful move forward, until NWA put paid to it. (Maybe you disagree, Garth?) Judging by some of the acts I saw at last year's Brainchild Festival, it seems to be coming back. Most good ideas do.

I loved the first two Eminem albums. The Elvis of rap. But as he himself put it, when he couldn't "rap 'bout bein' poor no more" he got dull very quickly. Trying to produce himself was brave but trying to sing was disastrous. He also seemed to lose his sense of humour which had been so sharp.

Anyway. Thanks for the heads-up. Look forward to the programme.