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I am not Des

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:18 pm
by Alannah
for all those getting their knickers in a twist I'd like to put the record straight.

I am not Des

I am not registered on the SotW under any other name

I have chosen a pseudonym as I'm a fairly private person - perhaps some of you would have felt more comfortable had I called myself Jane Smith?

I do not have to explain to anybody on this forum who I am

take me at face value - difficult as I am not posting any pictures, but you know what I mean

and finally please don't judge me using your own set of values

I hoped this forum would have been informative, enlightening, light hearted and pleasant - so far I have found it rather a hostile and xenophobic environment.

strangers aren't accepted round these parts it would appear

sound citizens - are there any of you left out there?

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:26 pm
by Chris P
tenalady - I would say just keep posting about music,and don't get bogged in the margins of this forum. That way we'll get to know you without friction. Fiction and factions can be a friction - no accusations to you though. Tell us some more about Mahmoud Ahmed sometime.
bests
CP

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:42 pm
by Gordon Neill
Sorry if you're feeling unwelcome tenalady. This is why I've been getting so irritated at these idiotic 'sock puppets'. It's introduced a certain lack of trust which, as so often, can unfairly affect attitudes to 'strangers'. And, I've said elsewhere, we could do with some new members to help freshen things up.

I've been careful not to point to any specific member, including you, and accuse them of being a 'sock puppet'. I've had my suspicions, but I've certainly not thought that you were Des!

This is a friendly and informative place. I hope you stay. Just have a bit of patience, don't rush to judgements, and chip in with comments on the music. We'll get back to normal.

Re: I am not Des

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:54 pm
by Tom McPhillips
tenalady wrote:
I hoped this forum would have been informative, enlightening, light hearted and pleasant - so far I have found it rather a hostile and xenophobic environment.

strangers aren't accepted round these parts it would appear



So make your contributions informative, enlightening, light hearted and pleasant, and you will find this to be a very un-hostile and un-xenophobic place - it takes two to tango after all!

And talking of tango, I've been listening to the Melingo album that was featured on the fRoots podcast (what a wonderful thing - thanks IanA!) and what I've heard so far is absolutely magnificent, (I might go play in that "best of 08" thread after all..)

So if you'd like to be, please feel welcome here, and we'll look forward to your posts in future - as has been mentioned it's all a bit fragile here at present, and timing is everything.

I'm over myself now, thank-you!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:54 pm
by Alannah
thanks guys - my faith in human nature is being restored

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:55 pm
by howard male
What Gordon said.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:57 pm
by Gordon Moore
This doesn't seem to be the same place that I left. Is it under new management?

Since when has a pseudonym been a problem? or are uiwangmike, tulshill charlie, taiyo no otosan, etc etc being annoying?

And since when has this forum been just about the music.

Okay I pick up that you lot have been scrapping, but since when wasn't it the same? I stopped posting after the upset with Howard and Ian M, and Clowns...(but not because of it)

This seems different. Not sure I like it. I've had a coupla welcome backs, but uhmmm.

I'm feeling very sad.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:04 pm
by Alannah
they had been Tom - that's the whole point (well, maybe not ALL that informative and I was only having a bit of fun with the sweary bit - sorry if that offended anyone. I suppose nice girls don't use those sorts of asterisks...)

you can't blame me for getting cross - I felt those hurtful comments were aimed straight at me for no justifiable reason

anyway, lets draw ANOTHER line and get on with our lives in harmony

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:08 pm
by Spartacus
And here's another line

I too am not Des

I am Gordon Moore,

but I now prefer Spartacus

Well I did.

I'm in two minds

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:12 pm
by Alannah
you're not E J Thribb (aged 2128) too Gordon??

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:13 pm
by Dayna
I try my best to give people the benefit of the doubt, but after what just happened with this place getting pulled apart the way it did by words, it is hard not to feel a little defensive right now. That was so heart breaking!

I am very happy to have new people here, & Gordon back. I love his humour.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:13 pm
by Tom McPhillips
Since when has a pseudonym been a problem? or are uiwangmike, tulshill charlie, taiyo no otosan, etc etc being annoying?


by no means, but we've go to know those people, and pseudonyms don't really seem to last long here, seems like posters in the end always mention at least their first names, which is rather wonderful really, as exposure doesn't seem such a big deal after all in a place like this.

so welcome back anyway...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:38 pm
by Spartacus
It has been my custom to change my login each year as I get worryingly concerned when I see the number of posts I've made!!!

I quite like Spartacus, as it was a good joke and I once was DJ Spartacus for the DJ Relay, so after discussing it with the unreal Gordon I've compromised by putting my name as my location, which is also a joke courtesy of the Real Gordon.

Hopefully everyone is satisfied and i can get on being an alter ego maniac.

btw love to Judith, who for some reason is one of my favourite ladies.

Gordon

er I mean...

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:41 pm
by Spartacus
tenalady wrote:you're not E J Thribb (aged 2128) too Gordon??


ahhhh I geddit :-()

v droll. (hehe)

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:34 pm
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
Still and all, and with respect, tenalady, your choice of screen name does rather leave you open to immediate suspicion as a piss-taker. Which suspicion, given the timing of your arrival and the tenor of a couple of your posts, certainly appeared to increase rather than diminish — and it seems to me you did little to allay that suspicion until this topic.

In my lifetime and many extraordinary adventures, I have indeed had to adopt many disguises and have even indulged in a bit of sock puppetry myself, most recently this past April 1 on a local community bulletin board, the Langley Community Forum, from which my alter ego, Jack Daw, was promptly ejected. A full text of Jack's so-called offensive posting may be found here, http://myfaceinyourspace.blogspot.com/2008/04/langley-loonasty-pitch.html for those who wish to follow Jack's exploits. So, what I am trying to say, one way or another, is that I am not entirely unsympathetic to your plight. A character must do what a character must do.

After Jack's prompt and entirely unceremonious ejection from the LCF, Jack wrote a missive to the board administrator, which missive I think has some relevance to the current situation on SotW. It follows:
Well, seriously there is much to be said both in favor of and opposing anonymity and the use of pseudonyms.

Jack is also a member of an online discussion group about music. Some members are basically completely anonymous, some are semi-anonymous and/or with pseudonyms, and some are well known industry people talking publicly although often informally and off the record. There are members from all around the world, although many are based in London and know each face to face. But the point being that one is not required to only operate as a "real" person. Occasionally discussions do get out of hand and toys are thrown from the pram as the expression has it. However, Jack has never seen a sustained campaign of such personal vindictiveness as the one you have recently suffered — by these wonderful people that one really "knows" who they are, who are actually right here in this community in real space and time. Well, Jack always says that community is more about putting up with annoying people than is usually acknowledged.

Now, Jack does indeed have several personalities and names and Jack believes that to be an advantage both to himself and the community at large at those times when Jack may feel the need to say something that might not be very popular with certain people. Most members of the LCF would not know Jack as Jack or as Jill or as any other name including the one on Jack's drivers license. As Jack would not know Kathleen Waters in person unless she was whining in the vicious manner she usually uses online. One knows people from online interaction by their behavior and attitudes as much as by whatever name appears next to their comments.

The requirement of only operating as an officially recognized "person" is, at root, a tactic used by the power structure to enforce group discipline and so-called rational thinking, which does, of course, preclude outsider and absurdist behavior however valuable such a diversity in mental attitude might be. It does not prevent the use of slurs, lies, and other deplorable manners as is obvious from even a cursory perusal of the LCF. Although it clearly can be used to censor satire, even satire that speaks much truth about recent behaviors on LCF. Mr. Gilman should have removed many, many comments over the past few months if Mr. Gilman was seriously intent on maintaining decorum on the forum.


I think the relevance to our situation here is reasonably clear, but I wish to draw the attention of all members to this line in particular:
One knows people from online interaction by their behavior and attitudes as much as by whatever name appears next to their comments.
Well, clearly, judging from the general tenor of my posts, I am an intellectual wanker and care little that some may agree with me in that self-assessment.

So, tenalady, I welcome you to this forum, whether as a sock puppet, a "real" person, or as a traveling sales lady (or man). I look forward to your continuing presence and many new posts in whatever colour text you choose to use. But, as I have implied elsewhere, when one makes a post, one is responsible for it and if others object, for whatever reason, you are liable to be called on it. And, yes, it can get rough if you appear to be playing a game. That's the way forums work — and it is not reasonable for you to expect the rules to be changed on your behalf. So, I suggest that you allow us to get to know the "real you" with your future postings — or accept that a certain amount of suspicion will continue if that's what you provoke.