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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:43 pm
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
It seems to me that when the sock puppets are left to play with each other they do no great harm. It's just when they get frustrated with the limitations of their sock-puppethood and attempt to interact with real people that they become a bit unmanageable, rude even. Perhaps that's just their characters acting out. After all, surely one of the pleasures of sock-puppet masterdom (yes, I've just seen that isn't a real word, but I'm using it anyway) would be the pretense of it all, the ability to hide behind the character of the puppet. The question should surely be, what sort of puppets can we tolerate? And, should the rules of good behaviour for puppets be the same as the rules for "real" people?

The internet used to be famous as a place where no one could tell whether you were a dog or not. It is still a place where many of us create characters, even when using our real names, as we also do to a degree in real life. I say, put the puppets on probation. If they behave badly, treat them as we would any other misbehaving member. I think it clear that in the past few weeks we have had our limitations tested and know where we draw the line.

I notice that Django quickly forgot about the maximum number of colors he would use in a post even after promising to only use three. It's annoying, yes — but not the end of the world. Personally, I find it far less annoying than the habit of another member, operating under a real name, who hits the return key repeatedly after making one line of a post, creating a blank screen, and then enters another short line. Now, that's playing with the form of the Forum! I don't recall it ever being publicly challenged as messing with the system — which is what it is. I think the sock puppets should have a similar courtesy extended to them.

Or should there be no more playing with the form of the Forum?

Some people I know have difficulties with mystery; they need to know how it all is as it really is. But, as any cheap Eastern mystic will tell you, it's all subjective, an illusion, there is no reality — not as we think we see it anyway. One of my favourite email signatures is this quote from Ken Kesey:
The answer is never the answer. What’s really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you’ll always be seeking. I’ve never seen anybody really find the answer — they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer.

I say, keep the mystery. Let the sock puppets live.

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:08 pm
by Gordon Neill
Hmmm. I don't have a problem with creative use of the Forum form. I wouldn't like to be a pot calling a kettle names. And if it's some folks just having a wee laugh, then that's fine by me.

But, at one stage, one of the suspected 'sock puppets' appeared to try and revive the Brown Sugar debate. And another (the same person?) attempted to revive the 'fuckwit' abuse. It might have been the innocent action of genuine newcomers. That's just about understandable. But it would be quite different if it turned out to be Forum regulars. Wouldn't it?

Sunshine is the best disinfectant

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:49 am
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
Gordon Neill wrote:
Sunshine is the best disinfectant

Hmmmm! I feel hoist by my own petard. Most uncomfortable. All one can do under such circumstances is fall back on the weakly brewed tea of "Consistency is the opium of petty minds."

Do you like opium? Know where I can get any? Sweet dreams are made of this.

Re: in a funny vein

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:37 am
by Spartacus
Gordon Neill wrote:Nice to have you back Gordon (if it is you)

ooohh I just love the scent of doubt...

Yes it is I.

Isn't it.

(laughing my socks off!)

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:39 am
by Gordon Neill
Jonathan E. advised:

"Consistency is the opium of petty minds."

Mind you, I did opt for sorting things out in private last time around. So I couldn't be accused of being consistent. But let's not get petardy about that!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:45 am
by Spartacus
Jonathan E. wrote:Do you like opium? Know where I can get any? Sweet dreams are made of this.

Apparently the poppies in Afghanistan are just starting to flower, ably protected by our boys out there, so in a couple of months just don the old Afghan and Kaftan and get out the VW and mosey on down...or awayyyyyy

Not the REAL Gordon

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:20 pm
by Spartacus
A little searching on t'internet has revealed:

interesting on Trojan!

also DJ Spooky

I'm intrigued as to this "riddim come forward". I suspect an anagram, but I'm not clevor trevor with words.

Am I close? Mr Miller?


PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:29 pm
by Adam Blake
"Riddim come forward" is a quotation from a dub toast by Scotty from about 1970 called "Skank In Bed", based on the song "Breakfast In Bed" which was covered by, amongst others, Dusty Springfield.

Just before Scotty makes this exultant cry he dismisses an aspiring musician with the words: "leave the studio, mon, I don't want you inside 'ere..."

The temptation to quote this back at Django Whoeverheis has been almost overwhelming and I'm glad to have an excuse to do it here!

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:47 pm
by Spartacus
hey up Adam, air kisses...

Thanks for the insight. So Djangothingy must have some arcane knowledge, perhaps from the ..... dark side Luke! hehe. I remember a thread called dark and dubbish.


PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:59 pm
by Django Style
And the second prize is . . . ?

Django has left the house.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:46 pm
by Hugh Weldon
Yi can't play bass.

Yi can't play argan.

Leave the studio man!

(Or show your true colours)

(On second thoughts perhaps we've seen enough of them already....)

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:52 am
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
This is the song that Adam and Hugh refer to:

Warning: the video is just a seven-inch going round in circles. Well, I suppose the needle moves towards the center. It's kind of ambient, and maybe very stoned, video.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:58 am
by That Was Jonathan E. Then
And for those into the DJ Spooky angle, there's a downloadable mix of his, Ghost World Mix: A Story in Sound, along with a bit of an essay about Digital Africa, available from:

It has its moments, but is rather too much on the hip-hop tip for me. You can either listen on the web page (it will start automatically) or download as you prefer.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:13 am
by Spartacus
What exactly does Riddim Come Forward mean?

PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 10:05 am
by Ted
Spartacus wrote:What exactly does Riddim Come Forward mean?

"Turn up the bass and drums"