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Pink Floyd albums

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:12 pm
by c hristian
So, I never was one of those stoner guys in high school, lighting up in their cars, in the driveway, and listening to all things Pink Floyd. What did I miss?


I watched the Wall one weekend. Interesting, but it seemed more like a music video than an actual musical story. There's a good song in there, I just know it. We don't need no education and such.

Then of course, there is Dark Side of the Moon, which I actually love love love, ...if done as Dub Side of the Moon by the easy star all-stars.

So, as I say, what did I miss? I've been listening to snippets of albums all day, and I'm up to the clouds one.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:24 pm
by Chris P
Sorry to state the obvious (or at least to many if not all), but all you need is "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" their first LP
A good alternative would be the "Relics" compilation of their early years, & including their fab early singles.
Of the later band, or what they became, 'Wish You Were Here' has the most redeeming features, but truth to tell many Floyd neophytes would be advised to bin their records & investigate the riches of so-called Krautrock for adventure & musicality

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:03 pm
by Ted
Chris Potts wrote: bin their records & investigate the riches of so-called Krautrock for adventure & musicality

Harsh but fair.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:12 pm
by Adam Blake
Seconded about the Krautrock. Guided tour through Pink Floyd from a former believer turned devout heretic.

"Piper At The Gates Of Dawn" - essential. As fresh as the day it was made.

"Saucerful Of Secrets" - patchy. Syd Barrett's slide playing on "Remember A Day" and his only contributed song - "Jugband Blues" - worth the price of admission. Nice Beatles pisstake ("Corporal Clegg") and pretty Rick Wright song ("See Saw") for those who like English psychedelic whimsy.

"More" - soundtrack album to a forgotten film. A mixed bag, most of the best of it wound up on...

"Relics" - an excellent compilation of early singles and odds'n'sods - inexplicably excluding the Syd Barrett 'LSD in the Supermarket' masterpiece "Apples And Oranges". Hunt this single down by fair means or foul... Also excluding for no good reason the first post-Barrett single "Point Me At The Sky" which has a great bassline hook.

"Ummagumma" - not as bad as you might think. The live half has a perfectly decent "Careful With That Axe Eugene". If Can were doing this kind of thing 1000000x better, they couldn't capture the peculiarly ponderous English-ness of Pink Floyd in full flight - something you either love or hate (or love and then hate). The studio half is mostly crap except for "Several Species of Small Furry Animals" etc which is fun.

"Atom Heart Mother" - rubbish. Nice Gilmour song, "Fat Old Sun", but that's it.

"Meddle" - rather underrated as Floyd albums go, "One Of These Days" is very mean, featuring some fine Fuck Off School Of Guitar Playing from Gilmour, "Echoes" is 23 minutes of bliss or boredom, depending on your POV.

"Obscured By Clouds" - another soundtrack for another forgotten film. A very overlooked album, the last time they addressed themselves to short simple songs. Some of them are very pleasant.

"Dark Side Of The Moon" - grossly overrated. Very little of it actually stands up to closer scrutiny. It's a downer, the first of several increasingly depressed and depressing records as Roger Waters assumes leadership and direction.

"Wish You Were Here" - Gilmour's tasteful blues guitar playing cannot save this from ponderous dullness and overblown portentousness BUT... the title track is definitely the best and most affecting song Roger Waters ever wrote.

"Animals" - BORING!

"The Wall" - EXCRUCIATINGLY BORING! Miserable self-pitying crap. "Comfortably Numb" has a nice tune, "Another Brick In The Wall" has a nice guitar solo. But really the rest is close to unlistenable.

Which is why I never listened to: "The Final Cut", "Temporary Lapse Of Reason" or any of the others since. A student insisted I listen to "Delicate Sound Of Thunder". I didn't have the heart to tell him I really didn't like it.

I hope this is of some use. I know I am hopelessly partisan pro-Syd Barrett but I do believe these thumbnail sketches are broadly fair.

Des???

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:22 pm
by Chris P
If I was a rich philanthropist I'd donate you £ 500 for that excellent summation Adam. I doubt there is anything out there in cyberspace or in print to match it. As it is I've got it in mind to post you a mystery Cd which you may or may not like.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:24 pm
by Adam Blake
By the way, Christian, pardon me if you know this already but what we're talking about when we say Krautrock is the music of Can, Faust, Amon Duul II, Popol Vuh, Kraftwerk, Neu and their various offshoots. Most of the best of this stuff was made in an astonishingly fertile five year burst from 1969-74.

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:25 pm
by Adam Blake
Chris Potts wrote:If I was a rich philanthropist I'd donate you £ 500 for that excellent summation Adam. I doubt there is anything out there in cyberspace or in print to match it. As it is I've got it in mind to post you a mystery Cd which you may or may not like.


Gee shucks, Chris. Thanks. But I've got enough Henry Cow bootlegs already...

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:29 pm
by Chris P
Adam Blake wrote:Thanks. But I've got enough Henry Cow bootlegs already...


haha - these are the very same words I expressed to someone on this list a while back - it wasn't you was it Adam ?

Anyway fear not, the Cd I have in mind is far more challenging & opaque !

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:38 pm
by c hristian
Well Adam, from what I remember of the albums I listened to (namely, the Wall, and Dark Side) I'd have to say you are correct on those! BORED! But, you know, maybe I missed somethign, as everyone else heralds them so. Maybe I didn't get the right drugs or something. Would it be better on Ritalin, or weed? So, I figured that it was my lack of attention, my ADD kicking in, but -you know - what you are telling me is, maybe there was a REASON why my ADD was kicking in! So based on those experiences of boredom, I stayed away from knowing more, until today.

EXCEPT - when that video came to MTV , Learning to FLY, GOOD GOD that guitar riff had me up in the air ! More than a few sky trips after that were set to that song, and by extension, that album, as my walkman could withstand any crash down the mountain. Now this album can get dark and boring in spots too, but there were some definite musical ideas to latch onto, and there was, after all, that song. and yes indeed, I was learning to fly (on skies) (and quite out of control. I was also learning to crash.) (but that's rock and roll! )!

PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 10:59 pm
by c hristian
nothing about the Division Bell, huh?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:40 am
by AndyM
Pink Floyd (Barrett years) - posh-boy whimsy done better elsewhere

Pink Floyd (post-Barrett) - pseudo-profundity for the only very moderately educated.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:57 am
by Adam Blake
AndyM wrote:Pink Floyd (Barrett years) - posh-boy whimsy done better elsewhere


Where??

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:59 am
by Charlie
Having dismissed Pink Floyd after those early singles, I'm occasionally caught by surprise when glimpsing the odd track here and there, to realise they were a very basic blues band with a few pretensions that were swallowed hook line and sinker by those who thought they did not like blues bands. Dave Gilmour is the missing link between Eric Clapton and Mark Knopfler.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:23 am
by AndyM
Adam Blake wrote:
AndyM wrote:Pink Floyd (Barrett years) - posh-boy whimsy done better elsewhere


Where??


I thought you might ask.

Caravan.

Robert Wyatt.

'Music in a Doll's House' by Family (though they weren't posh, or if they were it was well hidden).

PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:36 am
by Adam Blake
Oh well, we'll have to agree to differ on those.