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David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:31 pm
by Adam Blake
Here's Bowie's new album in its entirety:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPXXTBN ... _embedded#!

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:09 am
by Adam Blake
So has anyone bothered to listen to this? I got about two thirds of the way through before I had to go and do something else. First impressions were favourable, although slightly disappointed that it isn't fantastic. I was really hoping it would be.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:19 am
by Rob Hall
When I went to look/listen, it had been removed.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 10:22 am
by AndyM
It sounds mostly pretty good - even under-par new Bowie is something to treasure. But I suspect it's going to be over-raved-about when a cold hard listen reveals it as, well, OK. And Bowie should never be just OK.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:04 am
by NormanD
It had to happen - inevitably
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4FjD1xxeiY

A lot of forum in-jokes, and a lot transferable too.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 8:21 pm
by NickH
iTunes is the best place to hear David's new one (I accessed it via the Guardian's Tumblr link below). I'm giving it a third listen, so it must have something going for it. It's as least as good as Heathen (the last Bowie LP I enjoyed listening too). Hard to find a reviewer who doesn't think this is one of the best records Bowie has ever made, which is a little strange. http://guardianmusic.tumblr.com/post/44 ... ee-you-can

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:18 am
by Garth Cartwright
Nick, you are old enough to know never to trust the British music press! Their willingness to salivate in front of an old celeb' making a comeback knows no limits.

I've never cared for Bowie - some fine singles from Space Oddity to Crashing In Same Car, admittedly - but the albums were always pants and this is no exception: horribly mannered vocals, rock by numbers band, lyrics that strain at meaning, an absence of any notable melodies/riffs or genuine emotional peaks. Same album he's been making for decades then.

I often wonder if Bowie is the worst influence of all the big Brit acts - one can hate the Beatles for all the lazy melody singalong bands of the world and the Stones for the endless witless posturing rock bands but Bowie has given us so many wannabe stars more interested in their look and attitude than their music - a narcissists club that surely only produced one talented disciple - Boy George, and he was so much more soulful and witty than DB and a far better singer. I'm up to 29 minutes through and I doubt I can last another 23. This is awful!

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:41 pm
by Paul S
The 2013 About Time Somebody Came Out And Said That In Public Award goes to Garth.

Don't think I've ever got through a whole album either.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:53 pm
by howard male
Needless to say, I disagree. Here’s my 2000 words on the matter. But don’t bother to try to draw me into a ‘discussion’ about it Garth. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... to_comment

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:03 am
by NormanD
Then don't bother to post us links Howard! You know how it works.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:27 pm
by howard male
My link is my response, Norman.

Many moons ago, the first time I posted here on the subjected of Bowie, Garth’s response was “Take your Bowie fanboy shit elsewhere.” (I remember the exaxt words because they have been the subject of a running joke between Nick H and I ever since). But that is pretty much the template he’s continued to use, and it just doesn't get us off on a very good footing. Personally I love a good, constructive discussion about questions of taste, subjectivity vs objectivity, whether music is shit just because it doesn’t conform to your notions of what is ‘authentic’ etc etc, but I know I wouldn’t get it from Mr Forthwright. I think I've pretty much covered why I think The Next Day is a wonderful, sublime, vital piece of work in the FB review I linked to. It is an opinion, no more and no less. I have no desire to take things any further. Happy Easter yer all!

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:44 pm
by AndyM
Mr Forthwright isn't the only resident here, though.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 12:51 pm
by Adam Blake
Quite. I am more than happy to talk Bowie with you or anyone else, Howard, but I don't want to do it on Facebook. Although I enjoy the epigrammatic (or monosyllabic) style over there, it's much more fun to expound on SoTW.

For myself, I am unconvinced by "The Next Day". It's much, much better than anyone had any right to expect, and my admiration for DB remains enormous, but it's just too dense and unapproachable for me. The noise it makes puts me off and, ultimately, that's the criteria for music. I only listened to it once and I know I should try again but the truth is, if I want to listen to Bowie, I'll go back to my favourites (which are a right mixed bag as you know!)

I do salute him though, for making new music and not retiring or resting on his laurels.

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 1:27 pm
by howard male
Well, I think it’s slightly silly to be bias against one medium or virtual venue in which to communicate over another, unless it’s because you’ve had to put up with a lot of stick there. I see SoTW as a pub where I got into a lot of nasty scraps. So I have more bad than good memories of the place. That’s the reason I rarely come back. But Andy and Adam – you are both FB members, you post there, what’s wrong with ‘talking’ there? I know there are political reasons but everything is owned by some corporate bastard. You’d just end up communicating through tin cans connected by a length of string if you followed your ideologies to their logical conclusions. And as i always say on the matter - you make of FB what you make of it - it's only a medium. I have a lot of interesting and sometimes in-depth discussions there - and no one bites my head off!

But anyway, the Bowie. I agree it’s too noisy and too dense, and I think it would have been a better record if DB hadn’t felt the need to macho it up so much. But there still some fucking great songs on there, Adam – some of the best he’s written in decades. I really do recommend you persevere so that they get a chance to win you over. Start with ‘Valentine’s Day’ and then work your way outwards. The songs will eventually win you over (as is always the case with DB - if you're a fan that is).

Re: David Bowie: The Next Day

PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:04 pm
by Adam Blake
Facebook is NOT the same as SoTW. I've been in fights in both places but I much prefer it here. There's more room to move and it is, let's be honest, a much more rarefied atmosphere.

I am a fan, but the Bowie that I am a fan of pretty much retired at the end of the 70s. That is entirely my fault, not his. But I will have another go at "The Next Day", just to please you, Howard.