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Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 3:26 pm
by Adam Blake
People to whom Bowie means a GREAT DEAL are now of an age where they are in control of the media.

The single is subtle and thought provoking - although I can't be sure if this is because it is by David Bowie. I suspect it wouldn't merit a second listen if it was by anybody else.

Shades of the dreaded 'Free As A Bird'?...

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:07 pm
by AndyM
At least Jeff Lynne's not involved.

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 5:30 pm
by Rob Hall
I was surprised to learn that it's produced by Tony Visconti. I wonder if they got Rick Wakeman back on keyboards?

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 9:55 pm
by Adam Blake
I've listened to it three times now and I have decided that I like it. Bowie can breathe easy at last.

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:25 am
by AndyM
It's been bugging me who it sounds like, but I've got it now: Robert Wyatt.

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:58 am
by Adam Blake
Yes! It does. I thought the chorus sounded like Blur ripping off Bowie but the whole sound and feel of it is very Wyatt.

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 11:12 pm
by NormanD
The inevitable response from music commentator Bob Lefsetz. Bowie doesn't fit in with the approach Lefsetz feels everyone should be following, so therefore he's wrong.

Somehow, I feel that Lefsetz is wrong.

I won't sent my views to him. He has no interest in no-names.


"Yesterday's news.

I'm not talking about the man himself so much as his new track, his new album... A circle jerk publicity campaign that the old wave ate up and we've already moved on from. I mean how can someone who used to get it so right, who was on the bleeding edge, get it so wrong?

This is the guy who did Berlin/electronic before most people had a clue who Eno was and did the Bowie Bonds deal and now he signs with Sony and puts out a new album and the sycophantic press hypes it and drives those who care, who aren't that many, hell there are only 29,359 views on Vevo as I write this, to the video which features a song so dirgey and so mediocre as to tarnish his entire legacy, if he hadn't been doing that himself for decades.

How come these oldsters don't get it? They made music that lasted forever, now they just want to play for a day. Employ the old school publicity paradigm on steroids which is ignored by everybody but the aforementioned sycophants who think we're still living in 1974.

Bowie, want to get it right?

Do it the Mumford way.


First he needed to go on the road, playing small venues at fair prices that you couldn't get in. That would generate real publicity. For what happened as opposed to what's coming. And if you've got something real, the fans do the work for you. They tweet, they Instagram, they spread the word. Instead, Bowie's caught up in the mainstream echo chamber.

Second, you put out a new track that kills. And "Where Are We Now?" does not. It needed to be upbeat, it needed to be one listen. Not something that you might like over time, not when the whole world is watching.

Third, leave the audience hanging, waiting for more.

Instead of the album, drip out the singles. Create cutting edge videos. Keep the excitement going. Keep your name in circulation.

But NO, David Jones shows his age by doing it the old way, getting a check from Sony and trying to drive something down our throats that we don't want.

Maybe he ain't got great new music in him. Maybe he's dried up. If so, don't call our attention to substandard work, you ruin any opportunity for clamor if you somehow come up with something good in the future.

But my bottom line point is now more than ever music is for the long haul. You start slow and build. If you start big, you oftentimes fail thereafter. Like where do PSY and Carly Rae Jepsen go now? But at least give them credit, they came up with certified hits. The PSY video is riveting and the Carly Rae Jepsen song is so hooky, it's velcro.

The news cycle is endless. Nothing sticks. We don't want announcements, we want SUBSTANCE!

David Bowie: "Where Are We Now?":"

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:29 am
by Adam Blake
The kind of genteel Englishman abroad wistfulness that Bowie has caught really rather well is a complete blind spot to Lefsetz. What he also seems incapable of grasping is that Bowie really has nothing at all to prove. If Bowie has chosen to release a record and promote it, it is because he wants to. The kind of post-music biz machinery that Lefsetz considers himself such an expert in is irrelevant. It would be nice if it was a massive hit but it really doesn't matter.

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2013 8:53 am
by AndyM
"Do it the Mumford way". Funniest line ever, albeit unintentionally.

Re: David Bowie's new single

PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 1:59 am
by Hugh Weldon
My belated reaction, now that I've finally caught up with it, is that it's probably the first single worth talking about for nearly twenty years. I hope there is a 7" vinyl version available.

Tempted as I am to get all Paul Morley about it, I'll just leave it at ageing master captures something of the zeitgeist through somehow not saying not very much at all.

It sounds like all those people you lot mentioned of course. But the territory is not the charts, more somewhere between today's Leonard Cohen and Yeats' 'Last Poems'. Almost. Slight but almost deep as well.