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The Further the Flame, the Worse it Burns Me-Marika Papagika

PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 9:19 pm
by Chris P
A lovingly put together release, I fear it may only be available as a new vinyl LP - if anyone knows differently please speak up, I crave one:


says Ian Nagoski:
My imprint, Canary Records (manufactured and distributed by Mississippi Records in Portland, OR) got two records out in the second half of last year, and they did as well as we hoped. There are three more releases currently being mastered and designed. They are:

Marika Papagika – The Further the Flame, The Worse It Burns Me: Greek
Folk Music in New York 1919-28
(that one will be out within the next eight weeks (edit - it's out now); as you may know, I’ve been working on it steadily for three years now. The notes will be a chapbook – some 4000 words.)

v/a – To What Strange Place: Armenians & Syrians in America, 1912-27

and its companion

v/a – The Luminous Interval: Greeks in America, 1916-32

which together with the Marika disc finally bring together my work on the Ottoman diaspora in the U.S.

Re: The Further the Flame, the Worse it Burns Me-Marika Papagika

PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:26 am
by Chris P
from Ian Nagoski interview (the rest is very interesting & wide-ranging too - see link below)

7. How come Marika Papagika became so important for you? When i read what you have written about her on the internet, and talk about her on radio, is she misunderstood, more than rembetika? You have done a lot of research, i understand, what have you learn from her story & music? The music on the Marika Papagika Cd, has some of it been released before on Cd/Lp-collections? How much of her recorded songs have you found?

Well, I became obsessed. It was both a conscious and an unconscious process. You know what Herzog say about his film projects, that they "come to him like thieves in the night." Or the way La Monte Young described his attraction to Pandit Pran Nath, "like iron filings to amagnet." It was love. In her voice I heard such groundedness, the sound of someone who knew who they are and the scale of her own life, and a yearning, reaching for something and a great sense of crafted agility - the tension and friction of the place now, in the moment, with her feet on the earth and prayer for some other place. The conscious piece of it came when I realized how little was known about her. It made me ask, how could someone who had been so prolific and created such a large body of graceful, dignified, and weepingly beautiful art be so little-thought-of that their life's work could just slip away into the footnotes? What kind of world do we live in where that could happen? What do we value when we say we value creativity, when we say we love music? It seemed outrageous. So, I decided that I would try my best to be the one to tell her story, to right that wrong and set the world in better balance in a small way.

I have learned more about her audience than about her. I know they were men, predominantly (there were nine Greek men for every Greek woman in America at the time), who worked incredibly hard and were terribly nostalgic for home. And she presented them with a certain image of both home and of the idea of Woman, an image that was honest, that didn't give false hope, but that spoke of something truly wonderful. I learned that there was an attempt to make her into a real star and that for a variety of reasons, having to do with American attitudes toward immigrants perhaps, and with the harsh realities of business, that dream could not last long. When I began to look into her, the only reissues that had been done were in the context of her having performed a handful of rebetik songs and having been something of an antecedent to the golden age of rebetika. Her actual repertoire was vast and was drawn from a wide variety of sources; the rebetik material makes up a very small fraction. In fact, she was a creature of the period of Greece's rebirth as a post-Ottoman independent state and a daughter of the dissolution of the empire. Between the reissues that have been done of her and a group of tapes from the collection of a deceased collector that I was able to rent for a little while, I estimate that I have heard about 200 of her recordings. There might be 30 or so that I haven't heard. I stopped keeping close track. Of the eleven tracks on the LP, I think three have previously been reissued. The rest are reissued for the first time.!/note.php?note_id=151373624895836

Re: The Further the Flame, the Worse it Burns Me-Marika Papagika

PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:09 pm
by Chris P
Good news ! Ian Nagoski sez:
the Ottoman-American project will appear as a triple CD next year if I'm able to keep body and soul together that long. Contracts... have been signed. It's a happening thing.

Re: The Further the Flame, the Worse it Burns Me-Marika Papagika

PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:04 pm
by Chris P
And here's Ian Nagoski explaining it in less than a minute & a half.

Recommended viewing !