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Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:28 pm
by jackdaw version
Credit card has been dinged — now it's nail-biting time! You lot are so lucky.

Des, there's a great Cheikha Rimitti track on the Garth compilation I mentioned — "Chab Rassi" is the title. I've never been able to find it elsewhere but haven't looked recently.

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:31 pm
by jackdaw version
kk wrote: [ . . . ]
I also think it’s good that within each region, the tracks aren’t sorted by country and in chronological order, as that would have made it feel a lot dryer, more like an aural lecture

Even without listening, I'm about sure that the way it's been done is the right way to sequence for the very reason kk mentions.

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:38 pm
by Des
jackdaw version wrote:Des, there's a great Cheikha Rimitti track on the Garth compilation I mentioned — "Chab Rassi" is the title. I've never been able to find it elsewhere but haven't looked recently.


Thanks - I've only got a couple of her CDs including that last electronically-enhanced thing she did (which perversely I liked!)

Grooving to Noura now - not sure if this music sets out to be sexy, but it undoubtably is!

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 10:43 pm
by Des
kk wrote:The packaging is a bit flimsy –the little cardboard bridge which is supposed to hold the CDs in place was already torn when it arrived,


Same here. They don't make cardboard like they used to....

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:00 am
by Neil Foxlee
The Rimitti track isn't on Youtube, but here's a vaguely similar one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrRolB8xXio&feature=related.

Rather different from yer modern rai...

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:03 am
by Des
After that I played CD3 (Southern) with some Malagasy tunes and sweet stuff from Mapfumo and Masakela. A great track from Hip Hop Pantsula too and the last track's a killer (Warm Heart of Africa).

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:57 pm
by Neil Foxlee
Don't like to carp, but Miriam Makeba's Pata Pata on the Southern Africa CDs is a live recording, the Mahlathini/Mahotella Queens track, though pleasant enough, doesn't feature his 'groaning' style, and there's only 8, 8 and 9 tracks on the three discs, which come in at 37:52, 40:50 and 45:07 respectively. There's also no isicathamiya a la Ladysmith Black Mambazo.

Once I've got through all 18 discs, I must listen again to Africa Never Stand Still (Ellipsis Arts), a previous attempt to cover the continent in just three.

PS Just listening to Chiwoniso's Mai (Zimbabwe), another pleasant ditty, but sung alternately in English and the artist's native language, which made me realize I don't want to hear 'world music' lyrics in English - it just seems to trivialize (or should that be 'de-exoticize'?) the music.
(Same applies to Suzana Lubrano's Tude Pa Po from Madagascar, which suffers in addition from identikit electronic backing - when 'world music' suffers from the centripetal cultural tendencies of globalization, you can only deplore the consequent musical homogenization. Which is just a fancy way of saying that I prefer music from different places to sound different rather than the same.)

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:53 am
by Neil Foxlee
Des wrote:After that I played CD3 (Southern) [...] A great track from Hip Hop Pantsula too and the last track's a killer (Warm Heart of Africa).


Judge for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4HnYLeypZ4

The previous two (hip-hop) tracks are also in English (as is the Hip Hop Pantsula, though in a distinctively African voice), albeit with other languages used sometimes in the singing. 'Fraid I don't find the music particularly distinctive either.

I know music is a universal language and all that, but does it have to be hip-hop with English lyrics? (Yes, I know they speak a lot of English in South Africa and Zimbabwe, but the other two come from Botswana and Malawi.)

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:22 am
by Des
Lusophone CD1 has this classic which I have on a couple of other Syllart collections but it always makes me smile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vQ_DHydL8

The Ze Manel track is a great tune too but not on Youtibe. Or even Youtube.

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 11:34 am
by Neil Foxlee
Re my comments on English-language lyrics, perhaps it should be recalled that the box is basically a French product, so it might not be so much of a problem for the target market. Or is it just me?

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 6:03 pm
by jackdaw version
Just watched a French film — The Science of Sleep, it's great! with some English and Spanish dialogue — but the point being that the mostly French actors and crew all spoke very passable English in the "The Making Of" stuff they chuck on to the DVD. I think much of the rest of the world speaks English and so, while it might be a second language, it's one they understand.

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:37 pm
by Neil Foxlee
You may recall I commented on the shortness of the Southern Africa CDs. Well, the Lusophone Africa ones are only 38:42, 44:01 and 33.40, which means the music could have been fitted on two CDs, with half an hour to spare. By contrast, the West African ones are 70, 76 and 78 - but (unless my ears are mistaken) the kora is strikingly un- or under-represented (there is a Kandia Kouyate track).

On the other hand, there's this gem from Burkina Faso (no doubt familiar to many forumistas): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0CiLc6bfMs. Now that's the sort of African music I like.

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 10:54 pm
by jackdaw version
You're certainly making it sound as though this needn't have been an 18-CD set in terms of overall length. Perhaps there was some idea of three CDs a region to appear "fair" regardless of actual times. I wonder if some of the licensing was harder or more expensive to come by.

Since my copy of the 18-CD set in question hasn't yet arrived, I listened to some of Africa Never Stand Still and that was really quite enjoyable. However, my favourite ever big-scale African comps are still the two long-box double-CD sets MASA — Musiques du continent Africain/Musics from Africa, out on Indigo/Label Bleu in 1998 and 1999. Relatively obscure and not so much of the classic big-name tracks, but show the immense depth and breadth of African music all the more for that — worth looking out for.

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:13 pm
by Des
Alot of the CDs are short as Neil says, but the fact that this collection so obviously falls short of being a meaningful survey of the continent's music gives me an excuse to buy more African CDs in the future. Result.

Re: that's a lot of music.....

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:00 am
by Neil Foxlee
Correction: there's a Ba Cissoko track featuring kora(s), albeit not in the traditional style - there's also a rock-style guitar.