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Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:02 am
by Tom McPhillips
Judith wrote

Tempered/untempered instruments aside, Klezmer comes to mind when it comes to genres which predominate. When mixed with other music, it tends to become Klezmer played with unusual (for Klezmer) instruments, yet there are times when Klezmer does work when it steps across musical borders and doesn't predominate. I know I've heard such music but don't know what it is that Klezmer is mixing with? Could someone give me some examples? Or am I imagining things?


an example I've come across, is "Klezmer-Sephardi" by Edouardo Paniagua and Jorge Rozemblum, but generally to my ears the Klezmer still tends to be the predominating flavour. It's an interesting idea trying to meld Ashkenazi and Sephardic music - the result claims, by uniting the two branches of Jewish culture to return the music to a proto pre Sephardic expulsion (1492) state though I like the result, to me it's Klezmer with more introspective moments. I"m certainly not qualified to be able to define what's the basis of each music - Klezmer seems very recognizable, so whenever that element is introduced the music just sounds Klezmer, it seems harder for the sephardic component to get an equal billing because of that.

They have a MySpace page...
http://www.myspace.com/klezmersefardi

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 8:49 am
by AndyM
judith wrote:(I hope those reading this understand the difference between tempered and untempered tuning and all that)


I'm happy to speak up for the other non-musos and admit: no, sorry, I don't ! Eager to learn, though.

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:27 am
by Ted
AndyM wrote:
judith wrote:(I hope those reading this understand the difference between tempered and untempered tuning and all that)


I'm happy to speak up for the other non-musos and admit: no, sorry, I don't ! Eager to learn, though.


And to ask a half-a-muso question -are tempered and untempered the same as the Just Temperament and Equal Temperament?

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:43 pm
by Adam Blake
Ted: the short answer is Yes.

Andy: It's a big subject. I'll have a go at delineating it in the 'It's All About The Music' section that Charlie set up for me and which I have shamefully underused! (Preferring to talk bollocks about old records, yes, I know...)

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:00 pm
by jackdaw version
Yeah, but you're talking bollocks that we mind. Don't stop. Please.

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:13 pm
by kk
album now streaming here

http://3voor12.vpro.nl/luisterpaal/

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 7:43 pm
by Tom McPhillips
kk wrote:album now streaming here

http://3voor12.vpro.nl/luisterpaal/


I've just listened through the whole album - the one thing that occurs to me - that this isn't that new that different, but it is magic... it just works... and it's hard to identify why from the very moment you start listening that one is totally drawn in ---- it all rolls along so perfectly, is it just the right people in the right place at the right time?

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:38 pm
by Jonathan E.
Thanks for the link, kk.

After the one listen, it is surely one of the great strokes of unaccountable cosmic good luck for Nick Gold and Ry Cooder, not to mention various old Cuban musicians, that those Africans never got to Havana for the original recording sessions. I'm not as immediately impressed with it as Tom — another listen or two and time will tell for me — but I can't see how this will achieve anything like the massive acclaim and sales of Buena Vista Social Club.

I was listening to "Africa Challenge", the "fetish" song from Toumani Diabate's Symmetric Orchestra, a day or two ago and thinking, "This is what AfroCubism needs to beat to be successful." I was about to make a list of one song from the past repertoire of each of the AfroCubism participants that offered a similar level of excellence to assess AfroCubism by — but time is short. Anyone care to offer any other contenders?

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:22 pm
by Tom McPhillips
I agree that this isn't Buena Vista - you couldn't expect lighting to strike so earthmovingly as to become another phenomenon of the same order - but I like it a lot - whether it lives up to the hype only time will tell, I then started listening to the Belle and Sebastian latest that was on the same link and you do wonder how all that talent they showed in their first few albums has simply vaporized...

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:14 pm
by David Flower
Charlie used to like piling up comparative versions of the same song, like The Peanut Vendor. I reckon you could make an album's worth of El Carretero by now

Written by Guillermo Portables it's covered on the original Buena Vista CD. I recently dug out Kinavana, which is a brilliant 2006 album by Kekele, and interesting to compare to Afrocubism, but Congolese takes on Cuban songs this time with Cubans in NY taking the part of Eliades Ochoa et al. Same idea though. It has this delicious version, with Mbilia Bel singing, now called 'Yo Odeconer'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD9xk-F4 ... E&index=82

Manu Dibango makes some perfect contributions to the Kinavana album

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:51 pm
by Jonathan E.
Don't forget, btw, that you have a bit less than 3 days or so to check out the LJF live Barbican show, broadcast on BBC R3 last Saturday on Lucy Duran's World Routes, on the iPlayer.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00w5lty

This is the show Howard raved about on The Arts Desk, http://www.theartsdesk.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=2631:afrocubism-barbican&Itemid=27 — and rightfully so. Personally, I'll still pick Mali Latino as a CD over the AfroCubism CD, an issue that Howard somewhat addresses. Lucy Duran does a nice little interview with Nick Gold that's good to hear.

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:36 pm
by zee
Thanks for that Jonathan. I have just recorded it using iplayer downloader if any one wants a copy.

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:54 pm
by Jaybird
Yes please Zee.

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 4:58 pm
by David Flower
zee wrote: I have just recorded it using iplayer downloader if any one wants a copy.


what's iplayer downloader and have I got it?

Re: AfroCubism

PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 7:25 pm
by kevin
David Flower wrote:what's iplayer downloader and have I got it?



It's a neat application to enable you to easily download content from the BBC iPlayer.

You can get it here for free.

http://www.brothersoft.com/iplayer-downloader-for-windows-225265.html

Or from here if you use a Mac.

http://download.cnet.com/iPlayer-Downloader/3000-2071_4-10906050.html