Listening Spot Check

[Papa M]

.. legal, uncopyrighted concert bootlegs....

Um. Slight contradiction in terms there Red.

Anyway - bootlegs of live shows never hurt anyone. But get out and buy the frickin' album pronto!!!!

[Jamie Renton]

I know I have heard 'Jeannine' and 'Dat dere' many times ages ago, the themes are so familiar. But where?

"Dat Dere' was written by pianist Bobby Timmons, but probably the best known version is by singer Oscar Brown Jnr, who added some amusing words concerning the mangled language used by his toddler son ("Hey Daddy what dat dere / And what dey doing dere")

Maybe that's where you've heard it.

Cheers

Jamie

[Ray the Red]

Um. Slight contradiction in terms there Red.

By calling them bootlegs? Gotcha.

But yes, I do support the artists. Also, the site where I get them from is very strict about making sure that they are not copyrighted. They also ban anything by artists who have made it known that they don't like their performaces recorded.

[Papa M]

...the site where I get them from is very strict about making sure that they are not copyrighted.

That's the bit I don't understand. Provided the songs performed are registered then it surely means that the performance of those songs is copyrighted. If they are completely obscure unknown songs then they might be in the public domain.

I'm not knocking you Red - some of my best recordings are bootlegs - but I know they are not "legal". :wink:

[Ray the Red]

Hi Papa,


I believe that officially-released songs are copyrighted, however concert performances (unless they are on a live album) aren't. For example, when Abdelli performs in concert, the songs he performs aren't copyright-protected.

Here's a link to the site's description of what it allows and what it prohibits. They cast a wide net on what constitutes official recordings:

http://wiki.dimeadozen.org/index.php/Di ... d_Torrents

[Papa M]

I believe that officially-released songs are copyrighted, however concert performances (unless they are on a live album) aren't.

I don't believe that to be true. The entire history of bootlegging live shows suggests it to not be true. People like Grateful Dead and Springsteen unofficially blessed the live show bootleggers - but they were still illegal.

I'll read your website blurb with great interest - when I have a day off work. It looks fascinating.

[Ray the Red]

Hi Papa,

This is my understanding, which could be wrong. Concerts (unless being recorded for live albums or being shown on TV or something similar) are not copyright-protected. For instance, when a musician performs, his record company does not have the rights to it unless they record and release it. However, many artists do not permit tapers into their shows, as you mention. I think the major reason for this is that some tapers then make copies and sell them, and the artist gets nothing in return. And indeed, this has been a concern. On that site that I frequent, there have been people who have downloaded performances and then turned around and sold them at ridiculous prices on eBay. As a result, others will complain to eBay and eBay will often shut down the auction.

An artist might also not like unofficial concerts floating around because it could dampen the sales of their live albums, but I think the above is a bigger concern for them.

There seems to be an ethos - at least at the site that I use - that the music is to be shared freely but never sold. If the artist doesn't make any money off the recording, neither should anybody else. And like I mentioned, if an artist says that he or she doesn't want his performances recorded, the site I use will ban his or her performances. Recently Van Morrison said this, which caused tremors because he was one of the most popular performers on the site. However, everybody acceeded to his wishes.

Anyway, happy reading; it's interesting stuff.

[Dayna]

I seem to be on a terrible streak lately, with my music buying.

I have all these memories of listening to the records my parents used to have. I had a free download from my Diet Pepsi bottle caps, so I downloaded Telstar from The Ventures. I didn't have a particular one in mind, because I thought I remembered liking them all.
I even ordered a CD of there's from Borders 2 weeks ago, which hasn't come in yet for some odd reason. I don't know what to think of this one. I don't know why it doesn't sound like I thought I have heard it all this time.
I know I always have loved the guitar music I've always heard like Apache & Pipeline.
Maybe it was really The Surfaris I've been hearing all these years, that I've liked so much. Is that it?
It's hard for me to tell from those You Tube videos, because they never play right with my computer.

Last week, I went out & bought an Aerosmith CD, & was disappointed in it, except for Dream On of course.

[Papa M]

I don't know why it doesn't sound like I thought I have heard it all this time.

You've probably got the wrong versions of the songs. "Telstar" for example was originally by The Tornados; and "Apache" by the Shadows. I suspect that their versions will be superior to The Ventures versions.

[NormanD]

The US hit of "Apache" was by a Danish guitarist called Jorgen Ingmann, whose cover version got the American sales and air play. I don't know the story of why The Shadows lost out, but here's Jorgen's version on YouTube:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-2LKZGbgCHU

And here's "Telstar" by The Tornadoes:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FOIIaGoGqHY

There was a crappy vocal version of this song called "Magic Star" by Margie Singleton (I think - where's uiwangaMike when you need him?), but it's not worth looking for.....

Laura Nyro is now on my player.

[Adam Blake]

Just been given a 1968 John Fahey album called "The Voice Of The Turtle" - it's lovely.

Got the new Yeti album - 'cos they're my buddies - hmmmm.... It's growing on me.

Still listening to Boubacar Traore - he reminds me of Fred McDowell somehow.

[Papa M]

Just been given a 1968 John Fahey album called "The Voice Of The Turtle" - it's lovely.

Still listening to Boubacar Traore - he reminds me of Fred McDowell somehow.

If you like John Fahey then also try Robbie Basho and Toulouse Englehart.

As for Boubacar Traore - great musician - but a bit of a misery. I get the feeling that he slightly resents the fact that he never became as popular as his pal Ali Farka Toure.

[Gordon Moore]

Toumani Diabate - Mande Variations, sublime in parts, not in others - uhmm, what is it about this guy, boiling hot or freezing dull - probably just me. sigh

[Jonathan E.]

Baaba Maal — On The Road, just downloaded thanks to Ian A.'s tip and about three minutes in.

As regards the discussion between Ray the Red and Papa M concerning live recordings, I suspect that, as ever, the publishers of the songs performed are the parties with the most financial interests at stake and the most likely to object to the material being freely available. No doubt Charlie and/or Ian A. among others know a lot more about the issue than I do.

[Ketsbaia]

Oghene Kologbo - Remember Fela. Reasonably straightforward afrobeat LP from one of Fela Kuti's guitarists in Africa 70. Side 2 better than side 1, in my opinion. Inoffensive, not really groundbreaking, but a decent enough listen nonetheless. Terrific artwork, though.