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ALTERNATIVE

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:29 am
by Peter Culshaw
agree Eurovision looks even sillier - interestng with so many songs in English including the French

It occurs that its almiost as tho the rest were punishing England - we got the language and the most successful pop (Amy winehouse, Duffy, Coldoplay and whole list are played throughout Euroland)

and most of the presenters from different countries had dyed blonde hair

here's a somewhat political reading of Eurovision by moi http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jh ... euro19.xml

anyway now is the tie for the Brits to organise an alternative somehow - imagine a show with say

UK: Rachel Unthank
France: Camille
Belgium: Think Of ONe (I think they are belgian..)
Spain: Amparanoia
Romania; Tarafs
Italy: Paulo Conte

add your own notions. Who should be on the ideal Altenative Eurovision show?

Imagine, too, its on prime time with millions of viewers - actually its all possible- anone wanna pitch it?

Re: ALTERNATIVE

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:41 am
by will vine
Peter Culshaw wrote:anyway now is the time for the Brits to organise an alternative somehow - Imagine, too, its on prime time with millions of viewers - actually its all possible- anone wanna pitch it?


I did suggest this earlier Peter (4th posting on this thread) but no matter....therefore it goes without saying that I completely agree that it should be pitched. Norman, quite rightly stole the idea in the 5th posting on this thread....maybe he has some concrete suggestions about how to get this notion off the ground.

Maybe we could also get 2012 Olympic FM (running music for the world ) out of the starting blocks, and my west end (jukebox) musical based on dance crazes needs some backing too.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:11 pm
by NormanD
No, Will, I've no concrete suggestions, not even sloppy ones. I just thought that your idea would end up being stolen by some no-ideas tv commissioner as soon as you mentioned it.

Perhaps the thread should now be retitled The Alternative Eurovision©

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:25 pm
by kevin
Misty in Roots had an album call Live at the Counter Eurovision which dates from 1979 so I guess an attempt has been made to offer an alternative before in 1979.

I tried to find out some more info but it is very sketchy. I think Atilla the Stockbroker was involved and it took place in Brussels and was organised by socialists.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:56 pm
by will vine
NormanD wrote:No, Will, I've no concrete suggestions, not even sloppy ones. I just thought that your idea would end up being stolen by some no-ideas tv commissioner as soon as you mentioned it.


I always assume all my wonderful ideas will be nicked......how do you get round all that? Patent the idea? I mean Noel Edmonds and Jasper Carrott have got filthy rich by owning the rights to an old pub game and a simple update of "Double Your Money." I do sometimes think that a collective effort by the regular correspondants to this website could influence, promote, or create some artistic enterprise, (but first we have to cut down the time spent making lists).

euro

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:21 pm
by Peter Culshaw
will- sorry I missed that

anyway- great minds think alike, an uidea whose time has come etc

lets get the show on the road...

Re: ALTERNATIVE

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:58 pm
by Rod B.
Peter Culshaw wrote:UK: Rachel Unthank
France: Camille
Belgium: Think Of ONe (I think they are belgian..)
Spain: Amparanoia
Romania; Tarafs
Italy: Paulo Conte

add your own notions. Who should be on the ideal Altenative Eurovision show?



Only to say that Amparanoia are in the midst of a 'bye bye tour' lasting until September - as Amparo Sanchez has decided to wrap up the band. So by the time this alternative Eurovision would get off the ground Amparanoia won't be around.

I suggest Buika for Spain instead - rave review of new CD coming soon.

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:04 pm
by David Flower
Buika wouldn't stand a chance! A very fine flamenco singer called Remedios Amaya represented Spain once and I'm glad to say scored nul points. Good for her

Buika has her 3rd (I think) album out soon and plays QEH London in November. But much as I'd like to like her I find it's repetitive and sounds the same as her last album. She's also resorted to appearing naked on the sleeve which seems a bit desperate to me

An alternative eurovision is a great idea but can't imagine how reps would be selected

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:42 pm
by Dominic
David Flower wrote:Buika has her 3rd (I think) album out soon and plays QEH London in November. But much as I'd like to like her I find it's repetitive and sounds the same as her last album. She's also resorted to appearing naked on the sleeve which seems a bit desperate to me

Nina De Fuego is out on Monday - it is her 3rd album but her self-titled debut was never released in the UK.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:43 pm
by Rod B.
David Flower wrote:Buika wouldn't stand a chance! A very fine flamenco singer called Remedios Amaya represented Spain once and I'm glad to say scored nul points. Good for her

Buika has her 3rd (I think) album out soon and plays QEH London in November. But much as I'd like to like her I find it's repetitive and sounds the same as her last album. She's also resorted to appearing naked on the sleeve which seems a bit desperate to me

An alternative eurovision is a great idea but can't imagine how reps would be selected


I wasn't suggesting Buika for the actual Eurovision! I wouldn't wish that on anyone! Only for Peter's alternative version.

With Amparanoia out of the picture, and many forumistas having backlashed against Ojos de Brujo (although not me!), I thought Buika might become the obvious choice as the Spanish nomination for this alternative Eurovision. If not, who else? Estrella Morente perhaps.

The new Buika CD has come out to almost universal critical acclaim in Spain, but I suspect outside Spain reactions will be mixed. I'm sure there'll be many others who share your opinion David - whereas I think it's the best album by a female singer for some years. Opinions, eh?

alternative

PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 9:26 pm
by Peter Culshaw
David F frets about how the selection would be made.....true, that would be a slight problem

The current Eurovision's "democracy" doesn't work with everyone voting for neighbouring countries etc - so maybe some elitism would work better

Maybe you could vote at WOMEX - each country's reps could vote for someone from their own country and another from a different country - or something

the winner would be decided by phone vote? or a vote on Charlie's website?

then the winner would go up against Afrovision and Asiavision winners - the winner of that would be win...errr..a Rolex? (they could be talked into sponsoring, Im sure)
a lifetime sub to Froots? a massive villa in Brazil? a years supply of illegal drugs? who knows???

actually it is a good idea....its been a long week.....

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:04 am
by will vine
The whole idea of competetive music making is pretty strange but, if you have access to Channel SC4, take a look at the coverage of Eistedfodd 2008........Welsh.........Strangely Strange yet Oddly Normal.

World music ?
Have any of you ever knowingly bought or played anything in the welsh tongue? (Betting without Cwm Rhondda)

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:59 am
by Rod B.
will vine wrote:World music ?
Have any of you ever knowingly bought or played anything in the welsh tongue? (Betting without Cwm Rhondda)



Yep - 'Mwng' by the Super Furry Animals, their stripped down acoustic-led CD. It takes a couple of listens to get used to, but I think it's very good, even if you can't understand Welsh.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:29 am
by Papa M
Rod B. wrote:....I think it's very good, even if you can't understand Welsh.


As is Cerys Matthews' 5 track ep "Awyren=Aeroplane" sung entirely in Welsh.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:30 am
by Chris P
yeh :
Super Furries'- Mwng (and some solo Gruff Rhys)
Fernhill/ Julie Murphy (Welsh speaking & singing Essex girl - album 'Ffawd' is brilliant)
Bob Delyn Ar Ebillion
and the sometimes magnificent Rag Foundation - I've seen a couple of gigs by them that were so awesome I was literally SCARED : felt the adrenaline up spine and neck, wide-eyed rabbit in headlights, didn't know whether to run, shout, jump up & down, or just collapse and crash to the deck on my knees smashing my knee caps (actually one time was inside a vast muddy tent, with onstage electrocution difficulties going on). At that time I thought the band was capable of blowing the so-called folk scene wide open and into a fresh slate restart. The passion, guts and fire were so intense - and it was simply great music not really dreaded 'folk' - so it was : come one come all, all age groups and tribes, and be gobsmacked - this group are STARS. Somewhat sadly I think they retreated from the cursed limits of the folk scene and ran the other way, making a very pleasant but unexceptional indie pop record, before babies and illnesses brought them to a temp hiatus. I hear they're back gigging again with all 3 original members - I wonder if they still have their greatness.