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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:31 am
by Adam Blake
Hi Ritchie,
Yes, it's funny about the Kinks - having invented the damn thing they promptly abandoned it. Maybe Ray Davies looked on in horror at what he hath wrought. I suspect that the Raaarwk aspect of those early singles was more to do with horrible juvenile delinquent little brother Dave Davies than Ray anyway.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:38 am
by Ian M
The Nice - prog rock, Crazy World of AB - pop. Heh, it's easy when I can carry my goalposts around with me. I didn't realise you were being quite so specific in your archaeological dig through 1964. Good luck with your search for the grail. I think you're talking about rock, and I'm talking about Rock...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:56 am
by Adam Blake
Oh well if you're talking about Rock (as in what the Americans call Raawrk) then I refer back to "Fresh Cream" by Cream from 1966. That's wot went and done it with all the long guitar solos over ponderous bass lines that endlessly harmonize one chord and drum patterns that rumble about without ever settling on a proper groove. Add lyrics that sound significant without being about anything in particular and that's the culture good and ruined.

I loved it when I was 12, hated it when I was 16, now I'm 93 I really quite like it again.

ok... tea break over .. back on your heads.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:43 pm
by ritchie
chuffing hell, just spent 20 mins writing what seemed to be a dissitation on Pop vs Rock and then I pressed the wrong bloody button.

other than this from wikipedia

Musicologists identify a tendency in society for individuals to set the music of themselves and their peers apart from that of other groups with a self-proclaimed genre of music. This tendency has resulted in an almost unlimited list of names for styles of music and no possible method to define them all. Recording labels cater to these perceptions placing their product in outlets under a number of different categories.

I'm not writing anymore.


ps Adam, I loved the cover of 'fresh cream' (I wonder what happened to my flying jacket?)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:20 pm
by Nigel w
Hey Adam, you're a bit unfair on Cream there. There is this popular myth that Clapton always played ten minute guitar solos followed by even longer drum work-outs from Ginger, all over Jack's endlessly ponderous bass lines. But it is just that - a myth (at least as far as the studio recordings are concerned).

Just looking at my Cream complete works box set. Fresh Cream has 11 tracks in under 40 minutes. Same is true for Disraeli Gears on which only one track, Sunshine Of Your Love , is over three and a half minutes long (and even that is only 4.10). The thing for me about both Hendrix and Cream is they made great three minute pop songs, from Cream's I Feel Free, Badge and White Room to Hendrix's Hey Joe, Foxy Lady and Fire....

Live it was a different matter, of course...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:49 pm
by Adam Blake
Like I said, it's ironic that I rather like it these days. I found a copy of "Fresh Cream" in a junk shop and picked it up and thoroughly enjoyed it after not having heard it for at least 30 years. But... I refer you to the middle bit of "Sweet Wine" for a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Cream did it very well but by opening that door they let in a host of horrors that it took Punk to exorcise a good ten years later (ha ha! Ten Years After!)

Likewise, Hendrix played like... Hendrix. All the people who tried to copy him were just trying to copy him. That wasn't his fault...

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:36 am
by Jonathan E.
I propose that the first rock record was "Fossil Rock" by The Piltdown Men from 1961.

Well, I would if it had any serious claims to being a rawwwk record.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:16 am
by c hristian
When I was in 6th grade, my music teacher in school , Mr. Webber, told us all that the first rock and roll record ever recorded was SShaboom Shaboom, by the Crew Cuts, and then, the first something or other for Rock Around the Clock, Bill Haley and the Comets.

But the first -RRRRRREERRRRRR!!! (insert electric guitar here) ROCK record? Don't know.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:29 am
by Des
I'd just like to say that I never had sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:30 pm
by Dayna
Aerosmith- I've kind of liked some of their stuff, but they've always just been there, on the radio all my life.

Would they be considered Rock?

This song, Dream On, I like it because it has sort of a haunting sound. I can't explain why, but it's been in my head, nagging me for a couple days, so that's what I'm using my free pepsi download for today.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 5:47 pm
by Dayna
Wow this is a live version & it sounds so scary! It's giving me chills!

PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 6:08 pm
by Paul
First electric guitar rock record? How about Rumble by Link Wray. I've also heard it described as the first heavy metal record.

Mark Lamarr once told the story that although it was an instrumental several radio stations banned it because of it's menacing tone.