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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 7:14 pm
by rongould
Schmaltz is a Yiddish/German word meaning fat.

Check out this page...

http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.p ... e=20010910,


and this is fun too, but nothing to do with music genres...

"schmaltz"
Rendered chicken or goose fat used for frying or spreading on bread

Back in the shtetls in Europe a little boy is getting his daily piece off bread and schmaltz and he drops it on the ground. The bread falls schmaltz side up! He's so excited that he runs and tells his "melamed" (teacher): "I dropped my bread and schmaltz and it fell schmaltz side up." His teacher hits him across the head and says, " Why you lie! The bread always falls schmaltz side down."

The boy goes home and tells his mother, "I dropped my bread and schmaltz and it fell schmaltz side up." His motherhits him across the head and says, "Why you lie! The bread always falls schmaltz side down."

The boy's father has the same reaction, but before hitting him, he calls the rabbi. The rabbi thinks about it and says, "You put the schmaltz on the wrong side!"

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:59 pm
by Gordon Moore
lol... :-()

So Mr CG have you got a definitive list now, cause, I want to start arguing about what each one is and who should go in which category.

(smiling a lot)

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:03 pm
by Tom McPhillips
errrrr... I think you might have missed some of these...



List of electronic music genres
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Ambient
Ambient house
Ambient industrial
Ambient techno
Black ambient
Dark ambient
Drone music
Illbient
Lowercase
Psybient
Breakbeat
Baltimore Club
Big beat
Broken beat
Chemical breaks
Florida breaks
Nu skool breaks
Progressive breaks
Disco
Cosmic disco
Dance-punk
Eurodance
Euro disco
Hi-NRG
Italo dance
Italo disco
Spacesynth
Synthpop
Downtempo
Acid jazz
Balearic Beat
Chill out
Minimal Electronica
Glitch
Nu jazz
Trip hop (aka The Bristol Sound)
Electronic art music
Berlin School
Electroacoustic
Electro
Dirty electronic
Electro backbeat (aka anthem breaks)
Electroclash
Electropop
Electropunk
Electro rock
Freestyle music
Electronica
Bitpop
Chiptune
Downtempo
Folktronica
Futurepop
Glitch
IDM
Nu Jazz
Synthpop
Synthpunk
Synth rock
Trip hop
UK garage (UKG)
Speed garage
2-step garage
4x4 garage
Breakstep (aka Breakbeat garage)
Dubstep
Grime (aka Sublow/8bar/Eskibeat)
Bassline (aka Niche)
Hardcore/Hard dance
4-beat
Bouncy techno
Breakbeat Hardcore
Breakcore
Darkcore
Digital hardcore
Doomcore
Freeform hardcore
Gabber
Happy hardcore
Hardstyle
Jumpstyle
Makina
Noisecore
Speedcore
UK Hardcore
House
Acid house
Bubblegum dance
Chicago house
Dark house
Deep house
Disco house
Electro house
French house
Freestyle house
Ghetto house
Grind house
Hi-NRG
UK Hard house
Hip house
Italo house
Jumpstyle (Chicago hard house)
Kwaito
Latin house
Merenhouse
Minimal house/Microhouse
New York house (aka US garage)
Pumpin' house
Progressive house
Skacid
Tribal house
Tech house
Industrial
Martial music
Neofolk
Post-Industrial
Electronic body music
Coldwave
Dark electro
Futurepop
Noise music
Power noise
Technoid
Jungle music/Drum and bass
Clownstep
Darkstep
Drill n bass
Drumfunk
Futurestep
Hardstep
Intelligent drum and bass
Jump-Up
Liquid funk
Neurofunk
Ragga jungle
Raggacore
Sambass
Techstep
Trancestep (aka Electrostep)
Techno
Acid techno
BrainDance
Detroit techno
Freetekno
Ghettotech
IDM
Jtek
Minimal techno
New beat
Nortec
Rave music
Schranz
Wonky techno
Trance
Acid trance
Classic trance
Dream trance
Euro-trance
Epic trance
Hard trance
Hardstyle
Nu-NRG
Progressive trance
Psychedelic trance/Goa trance
Full on
Goa trance
Dark psytrance
Nitzhonot
Progressive psytrance
South African psytrance
Suomisaundi
Tech trance
Uplifting trance
Vocal trance

Related fusion genres
Space music
New Age music
Ethnic electronica
Dark Wave
Ethereal Wave


- Don't we 4th Chimpanzees, just Lurve to Categorize!

It's not

What separates us from the animals? -Our ability to accessorize.. (Earth Girls Are Easy)

It's our pathetic need to pigeon hole!

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:31 pm
by Gordon Moore
I'm doing a Glitch gig tonight!

not.

What the ....

Let's forget it eh.

Now where were we re World v Roots?

Howard wherefore art thou?

It's alright, come on out, Garth is probably smoking a peace pipe!

PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:04 pm
by judith
Tom McPhillips wrote:It's our pathetic need to pigeon hole!


Yes, you are correct. Charlie says the following:

Charlie wrote:Every time the term world music gets another dig in the ribs from a journalist with nothing better to write about, I wonder which other genres went through such a hard time.

I have a feeling that the name jazz was frowned upon for many years, but for different reasons - it was considered a euphemism for sex.


And, knowing full well Wikipedia has genres genres genres (not to mention categories), I see Charlie's lists, don't even register what he is asking for and jump in and start listing listing listing - way off the mark from what Charlie had intended. It was great fun. Like running out to the sloshy wet gravel after it's turned over by a wave looking for agates and sandollars and beach glass, quickly snatching up each find then running back towards the dunes before the next wave comes while your mother is yelling "Watch out for the undertow!"

Back to Charlie's initial post (which is more about retrospective discovery than running off lists of categories). I need to ask - Do you mean which genres went through a hard time, or which terms went through a hard time? In some instances, it may be difficult to differentiate. Rock'n'Roll and the name for it seemed (though that could be a mistaken assumption on my part) to appear at the same time whereas, I have been told, Jazz was around 20 or so years before it had the name, jazz.

(I do believe it would be absolute hell to live in a world where everything had been named.)

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:15 pm
by Ken Josenhans
Muzak is the name of a corporation which supplies background music for various business settings. If I remember correctly, Muzak claims to be able to induce subtle psychological effects -- for example, one could make office employees a bit more peppy.

"Schmaltz" is, originally, a Yiddish term for chicken fat or other animal fat, used in food. My best guess is that this term became associated with music/art which, like old fashioned greasy cooking, invoked sentimental associations with Mom/The Old Country/The Good Old Days.

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:51 pm
by Gordon Moore
Am I allowed to say Schmuzak Muzak?

If not I'll delete it!

PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2008 12:28 am
by Hugh Weldon
Actually Gordon you have to say it the other way round I think - muzak schmuzak. A sentiment I would heartily endorse.

But is all elevator music (sch)muzak, or only some of it?

And if schmaltz, what pray was maltz?

But thanks for the definitions and derivations Ken and Ron.