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Re: Great Artists and Crappy Records

PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:47 pm
by Chris P
Jamie Renton wrote:his friends said...."Actually he looks a bit like Jim Carey!"

I dunno, one could take it as a kinda of a compliment.

A customer said I reminded her of Tommy Steele to look at (don't reckon I do, but whadda I know). I didn't know what to make of that one, but a number of tunes & routines sprung to mind

Re: Great Artists and Crappy Records

PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:07 pm
by Chris P
Here I am on the way back to Lambeth after a Beefheart gig in London 1980


Re: Great Artists and Crappy Records

PostPosted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 11:31 pm
by alister prince
I really only got into Leonard Cohen in the 80s, although I admired some of his guitar work pre that. Dylan, ironically once he went to Nashville, although I was a snotbag about country. Beatles, a grudging positive nod from Revolver. Later Bob went on to record a lot of crap with the occasional goodie (most recently 'Tempest'). What I'm getting at relates to Pete's point, it's what grabs you at the time. Many fans stick with the hit acts of their youth, hence the huge market in 'decade based' nostalgia tours by groups of hit makers of that time (Kim Wilde anyone). Imagine, in few years troops of middle aged women will be queuing up to see One Direction at the Fairfield Halls in Croydon, Harry whatshisface with a gut and a hairpiece. I shall always love Stevie because of his Little Stevie days as well as his early mid 70s genius, I don't care about the dross, I just ignore it.

Re: Great Artists and Crappy Records

PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:25 pm
by Pete Fowler
Adam wrote:

Blimey, it wasn't meant to be taken quite so seriously!

Adam, surely we can cope with all moods simultaneously? If Uncle Bob can write both Clothes Line Saga and The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll surely we, in the course of a natural conversation, can laugh and cry at the same time?

Re: Great Artists and Crappy Records

PostPosted: Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:20 pm
by Nigel w
Can anyone think of an artist of any longevity that has never made a crappy album?

I'd say even the Beatles don't qualify, due to the amount of filler on Let It Be .

Stones, Dylan, Bowie, Reed, Young , McCartney, Springsteen have all made plenty of crap albums.

Cohen was derailed by Spector on Death Of A Ladies Man. Zep lost it a bit on Houses Of The Holy.

Some people say Waits has never made a bad album; but I'm not sure I could tell the difference, to be honest.

Credence were doing very well until they spoilt it with a spotty final album; I guess they had already decided to break up and it was a contract-filling ragbag, so perhaps not entirely their fault.

Joni Mitchell's quality control is pretty unblemished and I can't think of a record by Emmylou Harris or Gillian Welch that I don't like. Probably not to the taste of many on here, but the calibre and consistency of the Eagles albums was also remarkably high - which rather feeds a pet theory of mine that you shouldn't really trust an artist who never makes a crappy album!

I guess with a 'great artist' you learn to accept and even love the bad albums because they are part of what makes the great ones so great. Dylan, for example, probably needed to make the poor albums in order to get his arse back in gear to make the good ones.

Making records is surely like life. We all lose the plot from time to time; but if we are lucky, we find it again soon enough...

I'm rambling. I shall stop and hope to rediscover the path further down the line!