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I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:14 pm
by Jamie Renton
In 1979 I was listening to two-tone, punk-new wave, reggae, blues and vintage (and only vintage mind) soul. The last thing I wanted was some German bloke sampling weird Iranian music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTHTrPEVqjY

Two years later and my tastes hadn't changed much. What did I think of disco? You didn't even want to get me started on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDx-S-hK4N0

My loss in both cases of course, I realise that now. But back then everything seemed a lot clearer cut. There was "our" music and then there was everything else. I'm not sure I've grown up much since then, but I'd like to think I have a bit. Certainly enough to appreciate those two contrasting classics.

Anyone else care to fess up to sounds they stuck their nose up at at the time and subsequently learned to love?

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:53 pm
by Kari Salonen
I loved "Persian Love" first off, and still do. I think that must have been the first song I heard that made me think that "this oriental stuff sounds interesting".

But disco, now really! Or, so I thought. The first time i heard Grace Jones I detested her...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w5a9kx2-t4

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:10 pm
by Jamie Renton
Kari Salonen wrote:The first time i heard Grace Jones I detested her...


Funnily enough, I had time for Grace Jones even then, on the grounds that if she was alright with Sly and Robbie, she was alright with me (musical snobbery, dontcha love it!!!!) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSCBqoheQN8

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:26 pm
by Kari Salonen
Oh, but the introduction of Sly & Robbie (and I shall not forget Wally Badarou and the rest of the Compass Point All Stars) changed the game entirely for her.

"Libertango" was one of those "What the..." moments for me, and I have time for that sound anytime.

As for disco, at some point I found myself humming "I Want Your Love" by Chic, and then I really had to reconsider when somebody as "serious" as Robert Wyatt made this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xQx4G11pRo

But yes, all sweeping judgements by genre are bound to leak and collapse at some point. And maybe there is just the right time for everything. Except German disco...

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:42 pm
by will vine
The accordian.

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:17 pm
by Jamie Renton
Kari: I'd love to hear some good German disco, but I can't think of any. Although recently hearing "Ra-Ra-Rasputin" by Boney M (they were German, weren't they?) on a late night Top of the Pops repeat, I was struck by how laugh out loud funny the lyrics were. Whereas at the time I thought Boney M were up there with Thatcherism, nuclear weapons, the National Front and pre "alternative" stand-up comedians, as the greatest evil on the planet (in all fairness to my teenage self, I was right about most of those).

Will: have you read E Annie Proulx's "Accordion Crimes"?

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:02 am
by will vine
Jamie Renton wrote:Will: have you read E Annie Proulx's "Accordion Crimes"?


No I haven't Jamie. I might look it up.

My answer to your question was slightly jokey because, as I considered what I hated then but loved now I very surprisingly drew a blank.

Trad jazz was an irritant in the early sixties when it kept cropping up on the BBC's Saturday Club and all I wanted to hear was Beat music, but I'm happy to hear it now.

There are more likely to be examples that go the other way from love to hate (though I'd hesitate to get quite as far as hate). I'm trying to think of individual records that have gone in either direction. Maybe I'll get back to you on that.

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:53 pm
by AndyM
Not understanding/appreciating disco is one of the saddest by-products of heterosexuality.

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:16 pm
by Chris P
blimey in that case heterosexuality can't have many seriously sad by-products (much as I like, nay almost love at times, my disco music!)

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:18 pm
by Adam Blake
I hated disco for all the wrong reasons back then, I admit, but I have only struck very guarded terms with it these days. There were some fabulous songs, wonderful performers, and hugely enjoyable routines that my teenage self was stupid enough to ignore that I can appreciate now BUT... That ubiquitous disco beat DID do a lot of damage to the polyrhythmic traditions of African-American music. It was invented in Germany, after all...

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:22 pm
by Chris P
heehee, daringly & naughtily said, Herr Blake, presumably about those machine-like martial head-f***ed nutters who sometimes predominate

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:56 pm
by AndyM
Invented in Germany ? Depends on your definition/history of the genre. If you think it all started with Giorgio Moroder you're overlooking a lot of key stuff.

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:07 pm
by Jamie Renton
AndyM wrote:Not understanding/appreciating disco is one of the saddest by-products of heterosexuality.


The people who appreciated disco back in its heyday were predominately VERY heterosexual. Disco may have its roots in gay culture and returned back to those roots once its popularity waned, but in its heyday it was the sound of mainstream heterosexual Britain. Those blokes with the medallions, chest hair and aggressive aftershave were trying to impress the girls with their Travolta-eque dance moves and woe betide any weedy, punky kid who got in their way.

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:26 pm
by AndyM
Ah but if you judged genres on the basis of their fans, you'd reject 'world music' because its most ardent devotees were librarians called Gavin with really frumpy wives.

Re: I hated it then, but I love it now

PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2014 2:30 pm
by Adam Blake
AndyM wrote:Invented in Germany ? Depends on your definition/history of the genre. If you think it all started with Giorgio Moroder you're overlooking a lot of key stuff.


Well, you know a lot more about it than I do, old bean. I think there's an enormous crossover area with what I would have called Soul and you might call early Disco. African-American music is infinitely more resilient than a bunch of German drum machines, it's true, but I was thinking of James Brown and how his career faltered in the face of the four-to-the-floor motorik. Also, wonderful records such as The Beginning Of The End's "Funky Nassau" in 1971 would have been impossible only a couple of years later (rhythmically too busy, ie, too difficult to dance to.)

The thing about disco was that ANYONE could dance to it, be they expert movers or complete no-hopers (hello!) - hence its absolute ubiquity for what seemed like an eternity. And for every Disco classic that is rightly celebrated in gay culture and by the more enlightened brand of straight music lover, there are a million unlistenable pieces of disposable crap. And whereas in some genres - Bubblegum pop, Northern soul, Merseybeat - disposable crap can be endearing or even interesting sociologically, bad Disco is just bad news.

Sorry for thread drift. Lots of things I hated then that I love now - like an apparently daily growing number of Country records.