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Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 8:08 am
by Chris P
already widely circulated a while back, still pretty good:
http://www.webheights.net/speakingcohen/images/pennefbjfk2.jpg

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 9:08 am
by NormanD
Why is Paul wearing a teacher's jacket? i.e. leather elbow patches, reinforced pockets and cuffs?

What's the background to this pic?

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 9:22 am
by john poole
NormanD wrote:What's the background to this pic?
Songwriting awards for Chuck & Lenny in 2012 (Paul wasn't getting an award)
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... s-20120227

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 11:28 am
by Adam Blake
Maybe Len's plucking up his courage to ask Chuck how long it took to write:

I met a German girl in England
Who was goin' to school in France
Said we danced the Mississippi at an Alpha Kappa dance
It wasn't me
Woo, it wasn't me
Yeah, you must've met some other body,
No, no child it wasn't me

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2014 7:09 pm
by judith
NormanD wrote:Why is Paul wearing a teacher's jacket? i.e. leather elbow patches, reinforced pockets and cuffs?

What's the background to this pic?


The photo was taken at the John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum.
http://drhguy.com/2012/02/29/best-photo ... ics-award/

Paul Simon has always adopted that East Coast (New England) university professor look - sports jacket, casual pants, no tie - borrowed from the intellectual halls of the UK of course. However, in New England tradition the elbow patches would have been suede not shiny black leather, and the jacket a tweed - preferably Harris, no leather re-enforcement on the pockets. The jacket Paul Simon has on in the photo has a tacky look about it as though a costumer in Las Vegas spruced it up a bit.

It's a look that came through the states from the east coast in the Beat era via poets, musicians, and intellectuals. Though he grew up in an academic environment and the intellectual tone implied was therefore not adopted and though some of my favorite icons wore the rumpled professor look(Ginsberg shirtless, some of the Fuggs, Dave Van Ronk...), in my west coast eyes it added to Paul Simon's already somewhat supercilious tone similar to those who were saying a bit snidely: "I'm hip, but I'm not a hippy". On the west coast, looking like a hippy was not so much of an insult to the cultured. Of course, it was to be argued that we had no Culture in California so perhaps it is that particular condescension I was anticipating in Paul Simon. Anyways, here on the west coast along its northern sector (too hot in Southern California) you could see the sueded patches on sweaters and jackets in intellectual or activist hotspots such as Berkeley (there was a joke about there being more New Yorkers than Californians in Berkeley), San Francisco, and Santa Cruz on the likes of Lawrence Ferlinghetti, cronies of Richard Alpert, a few musicians. Totally cool, totally hip, and sometimes intimidating.

(Note: in those days, on the east coast a "higher education" very much implied status - either monied, class, or intellectual superiority. On the west coast it did not so much. California's University of California system (eg: UC Berkeley) was a bit tough to get in unless you had completed attendance at a two year city college (available for free to the masses and in some cases to those who did not have a high school degree), then you had first pick. It also had/has another public university system (eg: Cal Poly, San Francisco State) which was very accessible financially and academically. Many of these Calif State Universities offered an education (depending on their respective fields) which was/is as respected as the UC system and some of the more exclusive and expensive private universities in California and across the US. It's sad that as things are going, only the monied are able to afford to attend college.)

I guess patched elbows just took me down memory lane and I did go on a bit. Clothes will do that, won't they Norman?

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 8:13 am
by NormanD
Thanks so much, Judith. My comment about his jacket was more than a throwaway remark - I did wonder why he was dressed like that. That's a great reply, for sure - clearly an equal to all the other postings we've had around these parts on 60s mod style, for example. And shoes - let's not forget shoes (though we can't see what the guys are wearing). I suspect that all of the guys would have to compromise, with style losing out to comfort, and I think that even Keef's engineer boots might have velcro strips.

And talking of Keef, his scarf makes him look like he's wearing a tallis, though without blue stripes on the bottom. It would perfectly suit Leonard's shabbas suit and hat. As he's got older, he seems to have reverted clothes-wise into his cultural background. Seeing him with his hat perched on his hat reminds me of all those Saturday mornings I was forced to spend as a kid.

Quite right, Judy - clothes will do that.

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 10:09 am
by will vine
Yes, what a great picture it is - The Poets Meet The Rockers Uptown. How the ageing Rock/Pop star chooses to dress is of some interest. These four guys have countless millions between them yet not one of them looks better dressed than someone popping down to the takeaway, and this for an awards ceremony.

I have lived much of my life vicariously through the Rolling Stones and others of that ilk. They certainly had much of my share of sex and drugs, and dressed their sleek snake-hipped bodies and styled their hair in outlandish, rebellious fashions that I could only dream of. Now they are in their seventies and here's Keith still trying to fly his tattered hippy flag, the loony scarves tied to wrists and around guitar necks as well as his own, the hair still just rampant enough to need a bandana/ bandage as well as housing a wonderful entanglement of found objects, the skinny jeans and T shirts, the eye liner. He seems to be true to some idea of who he thinks he is or who he represents. So, good for him. Is he a free spirit or someone locked into an image he can't throw off? Who cares?

A week or so ago there was a picture in the paper of Paul Simon leaving the court house after being up before the judge, with his wife, for causing a commotion in the neighborhood. He emerged wearing a suit and tie and a sort of pork pie hat. He looked like a squat little lawyer. His outfit would not have seemed out of place over half a century ago. People say of Paul that they all like his music but nobody actually wants to BE him and he certainly never expressed any sense of excitement or rebellion in the way he dressed for his performances. I guess I just find it hard to reconcile the poet and songwriter with the little fat man in the pork pie hat screaming at his wife.

However they make peace with their wardrobes it's time they left the stage.....except I REALLY loved Old Ideas, Leonard Cohen's recent album (thanks to Aly Prince for pointing me towards that one).

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 11:39 am
by Adam Blake
Trust the art, not the artist.

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 11:55 am
by Chris P
Will, it would be sad if they entirely left the stage surely

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 12:25 pm
by NormanD
Paul Simon has certainly had a lack of style throughout his career, and it seems a family trait.
I've posted this youtube before of Paul and brother Ed playing "Anji", and gladly do so again now. It figured in a conversation last night with Adam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN2sWrr6l80

Maybe their mother dressed them?

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 1:55 pm
by Adam Blake
will vine wrote:Yes, what a great picture it is - The Poets Meet The Rockers Uptown.


My original post, Will, for what it was worth, was to posit that the original rocker Chuck was just as much, if not more of a poet than the poets.

As for Paul Simon's brother - whatever happened to him? He was at least as good a guitar player as his brother.

I always liked Len's guitar playing too, very distinctive quasi-flamenco nylon string stylist, and often wondered if I was the only Len fan who felt disappointed when he quit playing guitar on his records.

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 5:31 pm
by AndyM
Attention to detail in clothing is of course intimately linked to musical genre. A folk musician who looked really sharp would be immediately distrusted by the 'folkistan'.

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 7:03 pm
by Chris P
I dunno. Martin Carthy has at times shown a certain clothing flair. In my yokel terms, I'd almost say 'sharp' (smiley)

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 7:18 pm
by AndyM
Chris P wrote:I dunno. Martin Carthy has at times shown a certain clothing flair. In my yokel terms, I'd almost say 'sharp' (smiley)


Comparatively, maybe, but George Clinton he ain't!

Re: Paul, Lenny, Chuck & Keith

PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2014 7:40 pm
by NormanD
This George Clinton?

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