Page 3 of 4

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 7:43 pm
by kas
allears wrote:kas :- track list and asking price on that Jacques Brel LP, please.


It is the J'Arrive album from 1968, original French edition with gatefold sleeve, with the tracks:

1 "J'arrive"
2 "Vesoul"
3 "L'Ostendaise"
4 "Je suis un soir d'été"
5 "Regarde bien petit"
6 "Comment tuer l'amant"
7 "L'Éclusier"
8 "Un enfant"
9 "La Bière"

But sorry, it is not for sale. "Comment tuer l'amant de sa femme quand on a été élevé comme moi dans la tradition" is one of my favourite song titles of all time: "How to Kill The Lover of One's Wife When One Has Been Given, Like Me, A Traditional (French) Upbringing"... The lyrics have all the understated venom of the title. He could write them with ease it seems. I still haven't forgiven Terry Jacks or whoever it was that came up with the idea of turning the black sarcasm of "Le Moribond" into the sobby, sugary melodrama of "Seasons in the Sun".

I remember seeing the Faust Tapes album a few times too and considering it, I recall some punk illuminaries hailed it at the time (John Lydon probably). I didn't venture though... I still have Can's Monster Movies somewhere, it sold for peanuts at a used records shop. Some findings I had to let go of and some I was foolish enough to sell. Most of them I have actively forgotten about, but the one I long for is the original EMI Pakistan LP "Meraj-E-Ghazal" by Asha Bhosle and Ghulam Ali. The one in that handsome blue gatefold cover. I know I have lamented it here before, but some scars you can't help but scratch.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Sun May 05, 2013 11:23 pm
by allears
Thanks, kas, but it turns out I didn´t recognize a single song title on your JB album.

Well, tbh my French isn´t good enough to enjoy his songs in the original, so, aside from the famous ones, I´m really only familiar with the English translations on Jacques Brel Is Alive And Well And Living In Paris . At least these versions received his official approval before they were performed, so they are presumably closer to his original intentions than Seasons In The Sun . ( That travesty was first crafted by Rod McKuen, btw)

Yes, that´s a really wonderful song title ! At the other extreme, one of my favourite JB covers has a one-word title; Next by The Alex Harvey Band. I wonder if you know it ?

Sorry about your lost Asha Bhosle album; I myself am off to look for So Far as per Adam´s recommendation - on line though, rather than on vinyl.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:24 am
by kas
allears wrote:Thanks, kas, but it turns out I didn´t recognize a single song title on your JB album.
At the other extreme, one of my favourite JB covers has a one-word title; Next by The Alex Harvey Band. I wonder if you know it ?


Oh yes, I know "Next" (Au suivant) very well. I am an old Alex Harvey fan and I still have that album (cleverly titled "Next"). Now, there's a translation that sticks very succesfully close to the original.

From that Brel album, at least "Vesoul" was a popular song. I remember hearing it often on radio when I was a kid, and thinking this is not my stuff. Strings, accordeons and what have you... It was Bowie who turned me on to Brel, with his "Port of Amsterdam". "If Bowie makes such an uncharacteristically hot performance of it, then this Brel man must be worth checking out". And yes, I've often blessed my choice of taking French at school and sticking with it.

"Mehraj-E-Ghazal" is readily available on cd, so it is really the LP as an object that I am slightly obsessed with. Even that would be available in India via internet for some 20 quids or so. So maybe some day I'll try my luck with ordering it. But I am not in a hurry.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 11:58 am
by Adam Blake
kas wrote:"Mehraj-E-Ghazal" is readily available on cd, so it is really the LP as an object that I am slightly obsessed with.


Yes! Yes! Yes!

Seriously, I rationalise this compulsion by making the distinction that if it was recorded in the cd era - ie, digitally - then it's OK to get it on cd. If it was recorded in analog, then the vinyl is always preferable.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 8:39 am
by Ronald
When I heard I wish you would by the Yardbirds I had to have it. I went to a recordshop not far from were we lived but they did not have it yet, a couple of weeks later it finally arrived and after buying it I raced home. I played it a couple of times on the small recordplayer we had which I had placed of the floor before our television and near our oilstove. Then I went to the kitchen to get something to drink and eat, I returned after ten minutes or so and I saw that the single was not on the turntable anymore, I looked everywhere in the room but could not find it. I almost went mad, I just could not believe it. Questioning my two year old brother did not help because he just stared at me apparently not knowing what I was talking about. For the next week or so I searched the whole house but I did not find it.

I did find it about five years later when my parents decided to replace the oilstove, when it was lifted I immediately saw the single, it turned out that my two year old brother had placed it there because when I went to the kitchen he had taken the single and must have played with it and while doing so placed it under the left side of the oilstove because it was round and the same shape as the single and this discovery must have filled him with some kind of wonder, enough for him to let me in the dark and not spoiling his discovery. The single was completely warped and not playable anymore.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:05 am
by Adam Blake
A sad story indeed, Ronald.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:24 am
by kas
Before of the toddlers I say. I have a Laurie Anderson album (her first) with a deep scratch going all the way over side 2. My little sister wanted to find out how a turntable works.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:08 pm
by AndyM
I dropped my 12" single of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" in the snow. Never offer to take records to a party on a snowy day, kids.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 5:08 pm
by AndyM
I dropped my 12" single of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" in the snow. Never offer to take records to a party on a snowy day, kids.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:20 pm
by Rob Hall
AndyM wrote:I dropped my 12" single of Gloria Gaynor's "I Will Survive" in the snow. Never offer to take records to a party on a snowy day, kids.


Certainly not if it's Groundhog Day.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 9:52 pm
by Chris P
Adam Blake wrote:The first album is probably the most difficult to listen to.
The second ("So Far") is probably the easiest.
The Third ("The Faust Tapes") is probably the most interesting.
The fourth ("Faust IV") is a bit like the best of the first two.

But everything they did has a cheeky question mark hovering over it like a cloud. I'm something of a fan, as you've no doubt gathered.


Good thumbnail sketches of the albums

Within the next couple of years I expect Faust will have been referred to in 100 posts on this forum - not bad at all.

When I was younger I often considered Faust to make the best music on the planet. They could do extremes of quiet and loud with perfect proportion, noisy and tranquil, melodies to die for & pure sound/noise/concrete music that was a joy to listen to, intriguing lyrics that were as light as fluff, as silly as freeform comedy, or quite deep & poetic, perhaps simultaneously. When I occasionally revisit their music, like this evening, I'm suprised and moved to often find their music to be unique & unequalled on planet Earth - affecting, curious, playful, shiversome, silly and serious.
I liked these words someone (James Yorkston) posted a couple of days ago with Meadow Meal: "It's worth all 8 minutes":
http://youtu.be/0t2m27TSAiI

Chose this the underplayed yt version of the track, because of the original cover graphic

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:36 pm
by Adam Blake
Chris P wrote:When I was younger I often considered Faust to make the best music on the planet


Was that when you were working at Recommended Records, by any chance?!

Good Lord, Chris, I was trying to ease them in gently but maybe you're right, the deep end approach might be more appropriate.

I was once fortunate enough to see a screening of the original Max Schreck version of "Nosferatu" with Faust providing live, improvised incidental music. It was some of the most terrifying music I have ever heard. Ligeti and Xenakis would have been sweating.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Wed May 08, 2013 7:41 am
by Chris P
Adam Blake wrote:
Chris P wrote:When I was younger I often considered Faust to make the best music on the planet


Was that when you were working at Recommended Records, by any chance?!


Not really, I was expanding outwards in listening to other things (mostly outside RR's remit by then - reggae, blues, irish trad, jazz, uk folk, funk), but it was one of the key things that led me to work there & move to London.

Tried some Penderecki - Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima - the other day, it really was musical harrowing and terror, had to bail out after a while

Of all the bands & musicians I was too young to see live in their heydey, but have since seen, Faust (Jean Herve Peron & Werner Diermaier + newbies & with Geoff Leigh guesting) turned in one of the most magical & haunting performances - at the magnificent Coal Exchange in Cardiff on a Halloween night.

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 7:47 am
by Ronald
During the 1970's I almost visited London every year and a couple of times had a hotel near Earl Court tube station. During the first time in that neighbourhood I did pass a small recordshop on the way to the station. While browsing through the records I came to a special setion that said "Reviews". I did not know what was meant but saw that the records in that section were cheaper than the others. I asked the owner and he explained that those records were had been given to journalists to review them for musicpapers and the ones they did not want to keep were sold to him. Everytime I was in London the first thing I did was go to that shop, but I can't rember were exactly it was anymore. Has anyone here heard of that shop or were there more shops in London then which sold these Reviews?

Re: Why Am I Obsessed With Records?

PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 8:13 am
by Alan Balfour
Sounds to me like the old Beggars Banquet shop which specialised in record "trade ins", as they used to call them.

Where's Leon when one needs him? [laugh]