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The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:12 am
by Adam Blake
My computer was at the doctor for 11 days. I was reduced to Internet Cafes where I noticed some forumistas and former forumistas posting stuff up on Facebook that would, in days of yore, have been posted on SOTW.

Please folks, don't neglect SOTW. Facebook is in the hands of "the man", SOTW isn't - at least not directly. I use Facebook as many people I know prefer to use it for email messages. Why they can't just send an email I have no idea but it does seem a shame to let the ubiquitous hand of Mark Zuckerberg take over every bloody thing. He will be the next Murdoch - if he isn't already.

Charlie's dead and there is no steady turnover of new World music to talk about. Does that mean that SOTW has to die a slow lingering death? I don't think so.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:51 am
by Hugh Weldon
Thanks Adam, reassuring, and seconded. I wondered where you'd been. The forum has been the quietest I have ever known it over the past couple of weeks. Somebody compared it to the Marie Celeste the other day. I've been racking my brains trying to get something interesting going but I seem to be low on inspiration/ideas at the moment.

I know we've discussed its future before and maybe seven years - as musically we complete the octave - is the natural lifespan, but I wouldn't like to think so. I intend to stick around.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:03 pm
by Des
To be perfectly honest I find FB more stimulating at the moment. SoTW has probably had its day.

I look back with great affection to the days when the two Gordons were making me laugh, when Tonie was raving about the latest Malagasy sensation, when Howard was giving us the lowdown on the new world music releases and most of all when Charlie was enthusing about the newest West African genius to hit the scene. I know I can't bring back the past, but it's just not the same now.

Musically, SoTW is now largely irrelevant to me - I don't listen to rock or 60s R&B, so I've nowhere to go.

I still enjoy Andy M's waspish one-liners and Norman's wisdom and humour among others. I won't be going away entirely. It's just that I'm not interested in yet another thread about Elvis Costello or the Velvet Undergound, sorry.

See you on the TV thread innit.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:22 pm
by NormanD
Des wrote:I won't be going away entirely. It's just that I'm not interested in yet another thread about Elvis Costello or the Velvet Undergound, sorry.
So which three Costello songs do you most dislike?

Many people have given much to others here, some have done well out of it - professionally and personally - and many more have had laughs, been entertained and informed, argued, received abusive PMs sent on a Saturday night, also received links to long-sought songs, given away things, gone to gigs, met people, made friends, lost friends, helped track down relatives, failed to agree over The VU, walked off in huffs, came back in minutes and a huffs. All the fun of the fair.

But let's not jump ship. We're not sinking yet. We may be in the doldrums languishing in oppressive inaction waiting for something to happen, but we're still afloat.


And what do I know from nautical metaphors? I can't even swim.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 12:55 pm
by Rob Hall
Des wrote:Musically, SoTW is now largely irrelevant to me - I don't listen to rock or 60s R&B, so I've nowhere to go.

It's this that has kept me mostly quiet around these parts lately. In the absence of Charlie's prompting us in the direction of some new artist from the other side of the tracks, I have found myself listening more and more to my collection of back catalogue stuff. I look through the European world music charts, and I read fRoots, and I pick up on the occasional album from some artist that was previously unkown to me. But, to be honest, I haven't really come across much (anything?) that has been worth sharing here on SOTW. And I'm aware that there are people, like Des, who are bored with discussions of back catalogue artists (and, let's face it, there are lots of places online where you can get that kind of thing) so I tend not to post. That's just my position.

Having said all of which, I believe that the surest way to bring about the demise of a forum such as SOTW is to post along the lines of "it's not as good as it used to be is it? It's dead on it's feet" etc. It is what it is and what it is is what we make it. The answer is to post more. And I'm as guilty of not posting (see above) as anyone. I promise to try harder, but warn you now that the subject matter may not necessarily suit everyone's tastes.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:00 pm
by Adam Blake
Des wrote:I still enjoy Andy M's waspish one-liners


Lost to Facebook these days it seems. Come back, Andy! You are sadly missed here.

And Rob: thanks for that. I do sympathise. As a lover of old music, I know I am totally guilty of perpetually looking back instead of forward - but I still feel that the atmosphere here is so much healthier than on any number of chatrooms for old music. It keeps me on my toes critically and the iconoclasm of Des (for example) is refreshing and thought provoking - even if it is also infuriating sometimes! I would so much rather have someone tell me that the Beatles are crap for this, that or the other reason than just go off into reveries of worship.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 1:02 pm
by Des
NormanD wrote:And what do I know from nautical metaphors? I can't even swim.

Enough naval-gazing.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:25 pm
by David Flower
new? exciting? widely original? Partly African? Well I'll have to repost about N'diale which clearly went unnoticed back in spring

A most 'musical' , bloody marvelous, marriage of 2 apparently unrelated musics. The Breton quartet led by fab fiddler Jacky Molard, plus sax, accordion and double bass, with a Malian trio of Wassalou singer (the Oumou Sangare style), the funkiest instrument of them all the kameln'goni, and other percussion

There's a terrific album which will be in my top 10 for sure, but as a live proposition it wipes the floor with anything I've heard in recent times. I'm a bit yawned out about most things Malian, but this is something else. Real playing, as Prince would say

amazingly an entire show is yours free on-line

http://liveweb.arte.tv/fr/video/Jacky_M ... nt_N_Diale

(with nifty track selector, try Volampte, button 5)

we hope to have them at Celtic Connections in January and other places too

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:39 pm
by will vine
David Flower wrote:new? exciting? widely original? Partly African? Well I'll have to repost about N'diale which clearly went unnoticed back in spring


I don't know whether they picked it up from you David but Norman and Gary played a track on their "No Reason" podcast back in May......and I loved it. These things go round one way or another. Glad you booted it up again though, if the track they podcast is indicative of the feel of the rest it is a gem. Thanks.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:44 pm
by David Flower
i think they did. Album's on Spotify. It's not perfect but almost better for not being so, because they're trying something new.

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:51 pm
by kas
And I thought everybody were just on their holidays giving their computers a rest!
I know I will be visiting France next week, and I already have a shortish want list made up. Short because I'll be going with a shoestring budget.

I couldn't agree more with Adam. Plus, I have kept myself steadfastly out of FB, even though I've begun to see my resistance slowly crumble - not only friends are there, but also some of the communities that are becoming important in my life.

I tend to hang out here every day, but life keeps me busy. I have a couple of recent things (a couple of books, a film, some music) that I have been meaning to rave about, but putting together a coherent piece of writing always takes a while. All of them merit that extra effort. And none of them will be about VU, r&b or Costello. Guaranteed.

Like Des, I miss the two Gordons. Gordons, do come by some sunny day!

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:53 pm
by Chris P
David Flower wrote:new? exciting? widely original? Partly African? Well I'll have to repost about N'diale which clearly went unnoticed back in spring


great record David, thanks for reminding of it, must listen to it again
(Should be mentioned it's been out for over a year though)

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:00 pm
by David Flower
only in France though

Re: The Third Man

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:30 pm
by Gordon Neill
Kas said:

Like Des, I miss the two Gordons.


At least one of the Gordons misses being here. He's still a regular lurker but, without prompts from a Charlie, feels he has little contribute. He doesn't mind the nostalgia music chat as it was always an element of SOTW's charm. He just wishes there was more worldly stuff. And he's developed an odd habit of referring to himsef in the third person. Quite odd, really. But he will make an effort to do better and find somehing to yap about. Maybe the Smod CD when he gets it. Bloody awful name, 'Smod'. But Ian Anderson in The Other Place seems to think it's good......

Re: The Scourge of Facebook

PostPosted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:36 pm
by David Flower
the band's now called SOD actually , as the chap whose name began with M has left. They're keeping quiet about this for some reason